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STAFF ED: Fort Hood shooter’s Muslim identity masks bigger issue

Published: Saturday, November 7, 2009

Updated: Sunday, November 8, 2009 22:11

Last Thursday, a soldier opened fire on his fellow troops at Fort Hood Army Base in Killeen, Texas, taking 12 lives before being injured and taken into custody.

Besides the sheer tragedy involved, what puts this story in the spotlight of national attention is the perpetrator's religion; the shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, is an American Muslim. However, the 39-year-old army psychiatrist was apparently not an al-Qaida operative or an undercover terrorist insurgent. He was simply an American soldier who snapped.

Unfortunately, for the time being, the focus on Hasan will remain on his religion, and questions about how it influenced him and how important it was to the shootings will continue to rise. In the national media, he will continue to be framed as a Muslim, perhaps more so than as an American soldier. In the course of all this, we will lose sight of the true story and the true problem.

The Fort Hood tragedy is a complex subject with an emotional sting. There are a number of facets to the story and concurrently a number of reasons it is relevant and important to understanding life in 21st century America.

Since 9/11, Islam has been cast in a decidedly negative light, leading to a rise in hate crimes against Muslims and a shift toward alarmist rhetoric. The two wars America is prosecuting abroad have been sometimes (understandably) confused with a war on Islam itself. Perhaps the religion will forever be associated with terrorism in this country. We would hope America is better than that.

But to cast the Fort Hood shootings in that mold is simply wrong. The matter here is not one of terrorism or Islamic extremism, as Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut claimed on Fox News Sunday. It is instead a matter of the mindset of the troops who fight, have fought or will fight in those two foreign wars. It is a matter of the respect we have for veterans, our bravest brothers and sisters. The mistreatment of veterans in our national hospitals speaks ill of our ability to care for those who deserve it most.

It's no secret the national media machine has trouble digesting multiple complex themes such as those present in this case. But it is an extra tragedy when issues cannot be framed outside of a Christian versus Muslim ideology that has existed since the Crusades and continues to be perpetuated to this day.

In short, the treatment of Muslims in this country in the past eight years has been shameful, as has been the treatment of American veterans. When a Muslim American soldier decides to turn on his own comrades, there is a larger story at work. Unfortunately, the shame continues.

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42 comments

Peace Now
Sun Nov 22 2009 18:08
The only people who are against health care reform are the people in the insurance industry. They are the ones who are running the propaganda commercials on tv. National media polls show the majority of people are actually for the public option. 70% of the people who go bankrupt in this country do so on account of medical bills. George Bush is responsible for this devastation of the economy, he doubled the national debt while in office. George Bush has spent a trillion dollars a year for defense and war. He started a war with Iraq(who had nothing top do with 911). George Bush allowed Osama Bin Laden to escape by starting the war with Iraq which diverted attention from Afganistan, where Osama Bin Laden was hidden. Im sick of listening to Republicans lie all the time. They are constantly distorting the facts.
Your name
Sat Nov 21 2009 11:41
Ben Nelson has taken part in the classic Potomac two-step of telling his constituents one thing in Nebraska and doing another thing back in Washington, D.C. Ben Nelson’s double-speak has not gone unnoticed by voters in Nebraska and now it looks like Nelson may take this double-speak on health care reform one step further by voting for government-run health care before voting against it. Politicians cannot have it both ways – just ask John Kerry. Nebraskans can spot a phony politician when they see one and they know that any vote to move the Democrats’ health care bill forward is a vote for a government-run health care experiment.

Call Senator Ben Nelson today at (202) 224-6551 and let him know:

* Any vote to move the Senate Democrats’ health care bill forward is a vote for President Obama’s government-run health care experiment at a time when unemployment has increased by nearly 14% since Obama took office.
* If Senator Nelson votes to move the Democrats’ health care bill forward, he is voting to raise Nebraskans’ health care costs, taxes, and premiums, all while cutting Medicare for the 270,435 beneficiaries in the state.
* The taxpayers of Nebraska can see through these parliamentary procedure games. They don’t want a flip flopper.
* Nebraskans want someone to keep the government from coming between them and their doctor.

Your name
Fri Nov 20 2009 13:45
Hey Justin heres that Slate article you can't find:

Hard EvidenceSeven salient facts about Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.
By Christopher Hitchens Posted Monday, Nov. 16, 2009, at 11:46 AM ETMaj. Nidal Malik HasanThe admonition not to rush to judgment or jump to conclusions might sound fair and prudent enough, perhaps even statesmanlike when uttered by the president, as long it's borne in mind that such advice is itself a judgment that is more than halfway to a conclusion. What it plainly implies in the present case is that the actions of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan should not be assumed in any meaningful way to be related to his Muslim faith.
Perfect subjective knowledge of the major's possibly disordered mind is not available to me, but nor is it available to the host of damage-control commentators and FBI drones who have had things mostly their own way so far. In order to demonstrate the absence of a connection, however, the following facts would have to be regarded as relatively random or secondary:
1) Hasan had been in direct correspondence with a notorious preacher of violence, Anwar al-Awlaki, whose enthusiasm for the teachings and actions of al-Qaida has long been well-known to researchers and intelligence agencies.
2) He bought weapons for himself well in advance of a murderous assault on unarmed soldiers awaiting treatment at a clinic—people to whom, in addition to his responsibilities as a human being, he also owed, as a physician, a sworn duty of care.
3) As he unleashed his volleys, he yelled the universal cry of jihad, “Allahu akbar!” or "God is great!" (The eyewitnesses on this point, originally doubted, are especially convincing since some of them didn't understand the meaning of the words and only sought to reproduce them phonetically.) On his business card, he described himself as "SOA" or "slave," or possibly, "soldier of Allah." Neither would be especially reassuring in this context.
4) He had attracted considerable attention by repeatedly using his postgraduate classes at the Uniformed Service University in Bethesda, Md., for the purpose of Islamic proselytizing, for a version of Islam that, to say the least, did not overemphasize it as a "religion of peace."
5) He had, in spoken and written communications, demonstrated a fascination with the love of death and the concept of suicide martyrdom (better described as suicide murder) that is the central concept of Bin Ladenism.
6) Though he may have been upset by the harrowing stories of returned soldiers—as many, many of us have been, incidentally—his overwhelming and reiterated objection to the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan, and al-Qaida in Iraq, is that it is "a war on Islam." It might be worth noting that this means that the Taliban does represent Islam, whereas the current governments of Iraq and Afghanistan somehow do not—a core belief of the Islamic purists who use the dogma of takfir to excommunicate such Muslims and render them liable, along with many other kind of infidel, to holy slaughter.
7) He seems to have been especially obsessed with the Quranic injunction that forbids devout Muslims to make alliances with Christians and Jews.
The above list is not exhaustive, but I would submit that five of the seven items (the first and the last four) would have been grounds to have had him either put under close surveillance or dismissed from the service. Proselytizing in uniform, for example, is already banned by a general order. To be "inclusive," the United States armed forces must exclude or discipline those who oppose inclusion. This, of course, goes for zealots of all faiths, and it won't do to point out that it isn't always universally applied. The Hasan atrocity makes such an application more urgent, not less.
What about the emphasis on Hasan's supposedly knife-edge mental state? Well, even supposing it to have been precarious, it can hardly have been improved by immersion in the rantings of Anwar al-Awlaki. I do not say that all practitioners of woman-hating, anti-Semitic, sadomasochistic suicide immolations are themselves insane, but I do say that the teaching itself is demented. In the same way, I do not say that all Muslims are terrorists, but I have noticed that an alarmingly high proportion of terrorists are Muslim. A paranoid or depressive person—of whom we have many millions in our midst—does not have to end up screaming religious slogans while butchering his fellow creatures. But a paranoid or depressive person who is in regular touch with a jihadist "spiritual leader" is presented with a ready-made script that offers him paradise in exchange for homicide.

Your name
Fri Nov 20 2009 13:32
The idea that a civil trial will somehow "jeopardize our national security" is a false and ridiculous one. How is it ridiculous? because you say so. In a civil case he is allowed full disclosure of all evidence.

Also he is an enemy combatant, a representative of an international organization that has declared war with the United States.

If you won't take my word take the word of Barck Obama who said on who said on September 27, 2006:

" Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is going to get basically a full military trial, with all of the bells and whistles. He will have counsel, he will be able to present evidence, and he will be able to rebut the Government’s case. The feeling is that he is guilty of a war crime and to do otherwise might violate some of our agreements under the Geneva Conventions. I think that is good, that we are going to provide him with some procedure and process. I think we will convict him, and I think he will be brought to justice. I think justice will be carried out in his case."

For once I agree with him

Your name
Fri Nov 20 2009 13:27
Justin "When and if there ever is compelling evidence that Hasan was acting out of sound mind and body purely as a result of religious reasoning, I'll admit that I was wrong." On November 12, 2009, Hasan was charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder. (New York Times. November 12, 2009) Premeditated murder is the crime of wrongfully causing the death of another human being (also known as murder) after rationally considering the timing or method of doing so, in order to either increase the likelihood of success, or to evade detection or apprehension. Hassan could not have been charged with such a crime unless he was judged to be mentally competent.

Hasan's perceived beliefs were a cause for concern among some of his peers. According to an unnamed source, Hasan was disciplined for "proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues" while at USUHS (Whitelaw, Kevin (November 6, 2009). "Massacre Leaves 13 Dead At Fort Hood". NPR. The Telegraph also reported an incident in which a lecture, expected to be of a medical nature, became a diatribe against "infidels." Air Force doctor Val Finnell, a former medical school classmate who had complained to superiors about Hasan's "anti-American rants", said: "The system is not doing what it's supposed to do. He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out."[Allen, Nick, "Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut," The Telegraph, November 8, 2009,)

Hasan had come to the attention of federal authorities at least six months before the attacks, because of internet postings he appeared to have made discussing suicide bombings and other threats, though authorities did not at the time definitively tie the postings to him. (November 7, 2007). "Retracing steps of suspected Fort Hood shooter, Nidal Malik Hasan". Los Angeles Times. (November 5, 2009). "Authorities had concerns about suspect". Associated Press. . The postings, made in the name "NidalHasan," likened a suicide bomber to a soldier who throws himself on a grenade to save his colleagues, and sacrifices his life for a "more noble cause. (November 7, 2007). "Retracing steps of suspected Fort Hood shooter, Nidal Malik Hasan". Los Angeles Times. No official investigation was opened.

Even before the contents of the emails were revealed, author Jarret Brachman said that Nidal Malik Hasan's contacts with al-Awlaki should have raised "huge red flags". According to Brachman, al-Awlaki is a major influence on radical English-speaking jihadis internationally.(Allen, Nick, "Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut," The Telegraph, November 8, 2009)

The Dallas Morning News reported on November 17 that ABC News, citing anonymous sources, reported that investigators suspect that the shootings were triggered by the refusal of Hasan's superiors to process his requests that sought to have some of his patients prosecuted for war crimes based on statements they made during psychiatric sessions with him. Dallas attorney Patrick McLain, a former Marine, opined that Hasan may have been legally justified in reporting what patients disclosed, but that it was impossible to be sure without knowing exactly what was said, while fellow psychiatrists complained to superiors that Hasan's actions violated doctor-patient confidentiality.Eggerton, Brooks (November 17, 2009). "Fort Hood captain: Hasan wanted patients to face war crimes charges". (Dallas Morning News.

Time to admit it Justin

Justin
Thu Nov 19 2009 19:49
"I disagree. He would have gotten a fair trial before a military tribunal and, much more importantly, justice would have been served."

Since, indeed, he murdered 3,000 civilians in an American city, what claim to jurisdiction could the military possibly have? It could hardly be a "war crime" given that we're not at war with Kuwait (where he's from.) The US isn't a signatory to the International War Crimes Court (hrm) so the standing of our military "tribunals" to try anyone for war crimes is already in doubt.

KSM murdered New Yorkers. What's fair is for New York to get the bite at the apple. What's fair doesn't include, to my mind, special "military tribunals" convened, with special rules and procedures, just to try a small number of specific suspects. The idea that a civil trial will somehow "jeopardize our national security" is a false and ridiculous one.

Fair trial?
Thu Nov 19 2009 17:04
I see you ducked out of this issue of trying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, accused of murdering nearly 3,000 people in the nation's deadliest terrorist attack in New York. (Tuesday staff editorial: 9/11 suspect trial in NYC shows justice) So I'm going to write about it anyway.

You say Attorney General Holder's decision to try Khalid Sheik Mohammad(KSM) in a civilian court in NYC is the best way for him to get a fair trial.

I disagree. He would have gotten a fair trial before a military tribunal and, much more importantly, justice would have been served. But don't take my word for it. I have the expert testimony of a man who is much involved in the case. Here are his comments on the matter on September 27, 2006:

" Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is going to get basically a full military trial, with all of the bells and whistles. He will have counsel, he will be able to present evidence, and he will be able to rebut the Government’s case. The feeling is that he is guilty of a war crime and to do otherwise might violate some of our agreements under the Geneva Conventions. I think that is good, that we are going to provide him with some procedure and process. I think we will convict him, and I think he will be brought to justice. I think justice will be carried out in his case."

Who you ask gave this comment? BARACK OBAMA.

And I might add that Attorney General Holder did not decide that KSM should get a civil trial. He doesn't have the authority. Only the President does.

Why should Obama change his stance on this issue? There is only one reason: politics. He is so willing to placate the extremist in his party who want to put the US on trial for our war on Terrorism that he would even jeopardize our national security.

Justin
Wed Nov 18 2009 21:09
" However, I'd much appreciate an admission that you are wrong if/when you are. "

When and if there ever is compelling evidence that Hasan was acting out of sound mind and body purely as a result of religious reasoning, I'll admit that I was wrong. I'm not able to find the Slate article you're referring to, so I can't verify those claims.

Since you seem reasonable, it'd be nice if you could start using a name with your posts, so I can tell which ones are yours.

Truthteller
Wed Nov 18 2009 17:35
The USA (Christian country), invaded Iraq(Muslum country), based on a George Bush lie,(weapons of mass destuction). Iraq had nothing to do with 911. As a result millions of Iraq citizens have suffered or died.
PEACE NOW
Wed Nov 18 2009 17:21
This country spends 664 billion a year on the military budget. China spends70 billion, Russia 40 billion, England 40 billion, France 40 billion, Japan 20 billion. We spend over 300 billion a year on these two wars. The USA spends a trillion dollars a year on military and war expenditures. Yet all of the Republicans are crying about health care costing a trillion dollars,(over a 10 year period). WE CANNOT AFFORD TO KILL MUSLUMS ANYMORE(WE ARE TEN TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your name
Mon Nov 16 2009 14:33
Justin-
I was kidding about the apology thing. Hence the smiley. However, I'd much appreciate an admission that you are wrong if/when you are. Quite honestly, it doesn't look good for your beliefs.

Check out the article on Slate titled "Seven salient facts about Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan." It could be an enlightening experience for you.

Big Think
Mon Nov 16 2009 10:28
Thank you Justin for your insight and openness. This unfortunate event had everything to do with a human in an incredibly stressful situation, not coping and dealing with it well, so he snapped.
Justin
Sun Nov 15 2009 23:51
A great deal of the rumors about what Hasan did before and during the shooting have proved to be fabrications. And it's worth pointing out, again, that an attack by one man unaffiliated with any terrorist organization, for no political purpose, carried out against uniformed soldiers, cannot by definition be terrorism.

I mean, why not call Columbine terrorism? Why not call every single murder terrorism? There have to be limits to our use of that term or it becomes meaningless. Too many people here are prepared to refer to as "terrorism" any crime committed by a Muslim.

Barry Rubin
Sun Nov 15 2009 22:17
How do we know that the attack at Fort Hood was an act of Islamist terrorism? Simple, Major Nidal Hassan told us so. You've seen reports of a long list of things he did and said along these lines. But what's most amazing of all is this:
Hassan is the first terrorist in history to give an academic lecture explaining why he was about to attack. Yet that still isn't enough for too many people-including the president of the United States--to understand that the murderous assault at Fort Hood was a Jihad attack.
It was reported that the audience was shocked and frightened by his lecture. He was supposed to speak on some medical topic yet instead talked on the topic: "The Koranic World View as it Relates to Muslims in the U.S. Military." All you have to do is look at the 50 Power Point slides and they tell you everything you need to know.
It is quite a good talk. He's logical and presents his evidence. This is clearly not the work of a mad man or a fool, though there's still a note of ambiguity in it. He's still working out what to do in his own mind and is trying to figure out if he has a way out other than in effect deserting the U.S. army and becoming a Jihad warrior. Ultimately, he concluded that he could not be a proper Muslim without killing American soldiers. Obviously, other Muslims could reach different conclusions but Hassan strongly grounds himself in Islamic texts.
In a sense, Hassan's lecture was a cry for help: Can anyone show me another way out? Can anyone refute my interpretation of Islam? One Muslim in the audience reportedly tried to do so. But unless these issues are openly discussed and debated--rather than swept under the rug--more people will die.
In fact, I'd recommend that teachers use this lecture in teaching classes on both Islam and Islamist politics. .
Follow along with me and you'll understand everything.
Hassan deals with three topics: What Islam teaches Muslims, how Muslims view the wars in Afghanistan and Iran, how this might affect Muslims in the U.S. military. [Slide 2] Hassan defines Jihad, showing how silly are the claims that it only means a personal struggle to behave better. It also signifies holy war, of course. [Slide 5].
Now here's Hassan's central theme. Muslims cannot fight in an infidel army against other Muslims. And Hassan himself says that it's getting hard for Muslims in the U.S. military to justify doing so. [Slide 11] Obviously, Hassan was deciding that he couldn't do so.
He then quotes the Koran extensively to prove the point. Allah will punish anyone who kills a Muslim [Slide 12]. Hassan then gives four examples of Muslim soldiers who broke under the strain. One who killed fellow American soldiers (which Hassan would himself do), one accused of espionage (but was acquitted), one who deserted, and one who refused deployment to Iraq. [Slide 13]
Barry Rubin
Sun Nov 15 2009 22:15
Quoting the Koran, Hassan next provides a number of quotations to show that the believer must obey Allah. If they do, they will enjoy great delights (though he left out the 72 virgins, there's one quote hinting at pederasty), and if they don't they will suffer torments of Hell.
Finally, he gets into the heavy stuff. Hassan introduces the concept of "defensive Jihad" which is a core element in radical Islamist thinking and has especially been promoted by Usama bin Ladin and al-Qaida. [Slides 37-39]. If others attack and oppress Muslims, then it is the duty of all Muslims to fight them. September 11 was justified by its perpetrators by saying that the United States had attacked Muslims and therefore it was mandatory to kill Americans in return.
And here is the crux of the matter: Verse 60:08, "Allah forbids you...from dealing kindly and justly" with those who fight Muslims." [Slide 40]
If Nidal Hassan believed this and would follow it, he must-to be a proper Muslim in his eyes-pick up a gun and join the Jihad, Muslim side. He was not shooting Americans because he caught battle fatigue from American soldiers he treated. Think about it. To have done so, Hassan would have had to sympathize with them, thinking about what it would be like for him if he'd been fighting...Muslims in Iraq or Afghanistan. But that was precisely his problem. He sympathized with the other side.
Being ordered to ship out to one of these countries, Hassan now had to decide: which side are you on? Would he choose the side of Allah and the Muslims, to be rewarded in Heaven? Or would he join with the infidels, to be punished with Hell and to betray his religion? He made his decision.
It is interesting that no Muslim debate has developed over a very simple issue: What if two groups of Muslims are fighting, cannot one side with one group, even if it has non-Muslim allies? After all, Americans are not going to Iraq or Afghanistan simply to "kill Muslims" but to defend Muslims from being killed. The Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Egyptians had no problem with using Western troops to save them from Saddam Hussein's Iraq in 1991, for example. The Iraqi and Afghan governments, made up of pious Muslims, do the same thing.
Arab nationalists who are Muslims can take this position more easily. But for Islamists the problem is not some abstraction but knowledge that they are fighting a battle to seize control of all Muslim-majority states and indeed perhaps of the entire world.
The true problem, then, is not that some Muslims help infidels kill Muslims, but that some Muslims help infidels kill Islamists. But Hassan never considered this point, which could be quite persuasive to other Muslims in Western militaries.
So, in his thinking, how might Hassan have escaped from that stark choice? Hassan answers that question. Quoting the Koran, he indicated that if the Americans ended the wars, then that would be okay and no killing would be necessary. [Slide 42]
Another alternative is if the Americans accepted Islam or agreed to become subservient to Muslim rulers (dhimmis) and paid a special tax [Slide 43-44].
Barry Rubin
Sun Nov 15 2009 22:14
The third alternative would be if the Muslim Messiah came, destroyed Christianity as a false religion and set off the post-history utopia. [Slide 45]. He didn't mention another part of this description, which was the murder of all Jews.
A digression is appropriate here. Hassan, although a Palestinian, has never been quoted as attacking Israel or the Jews. This is one more reminder that this struggle isn't all just about Israel. But it also tells something important about Hassan which also applies to many Muslim radicals in Europe. Hassan is an American. As such he has no other nationality, neither Palestinian nor Arab. He doesn't support Hamas or Fatah. But he has a religion that directs his thinking. That's why he is an Islamist and why he supports a generalized Islamist revolutionary movement, al-Qaida.
As one moderate Muslim from Canada pointed out, the clothes he wore the day before committing his Jihad attack was not (as some sources put it in a silly manner) some martyr or even Arab garb but the clothing of Pakistan and Afghanistan. He is an al-Qaida Jihadi, having changed sides in the War on Terror.
Hassan was no fool or blind fanatic. Indeed, he presents a sophisticated view. For example, he quotes contradictory Quranic verses, one suggesting that all religions can enter Heaven; another that all non-Muslims will go to Hell [Slide 47].
His conclusion takes on tremendous significance in light of what would happen at Fort Hood. He writes:
"If Muslim groups can convince Muslims that they are fighting for God against injustices of the 'infidels'; i.e., the enemies of Islam, then Muslims can become a potent adversary ie: suicide bombing, etc."
And of course, these groups did so convince Hassan. [Slide 48]
Why? Hassan tells us:
"God expects full loyalty. Promises heaven and threatens with Hell. Muslims may seem moderate (compromising) but God is not." [Slide 49]
And at the very end, he proposes what might have been his own escape route:
"Recommendation: Department of Defense should allow Muslim soldiers the option of being released as 'Conscientious objectors' to increase troop morale and decrease adverse events." [Slide 50]
If that had existed for Hassan, I think, he would not have killed people. This proposal is worth debating, though it has negative implications too, of course. But then he had other options. He could have resigned his commission, deserted, or refused deployment as a conscientious objector and gone to prison. In fact, Hassan himself cited individuals who had done the last two.
Barry Rubin
Sun Nov 15 2009 22:12
Consequently, Hassan's lecture also tells us why Muslims can choose not to be Jihadists, though this requires ignoring or rationalizing clear, religiously binding commandments in their religion or by being basically secular people of Muslim background. This is the kind of solution found in Christianity and Judaism, of course.
Hassan was too pious and consistent to take this way out. The answer to his personal behavior must be found in a mix of psychological factors and political-religious beliefs. The fact is, however, that he clearly did see himself as a Jihad warrior in the end. The existence of psycological factors in no way negates the importance of religious considerations.
All terrorists have some psychological forces working to make them follow such a path. Yet if not for ideological--and in the case of Islamists, religious--beliefs they never would have become terrorists. In contrast, criminals have psychological factors plus material goals, while mentally ill people who commit crimes are compelled by purely psychogical factors. Hassan does not fit either of those two categories.
Equally, his action cannot be attributed to a "misreading" or "heretical" interpretation of Islam. To read this lecture is to understand how carefully and self-critically he approached the issues. Anything so obviously false or deviant from mainstream Islam would simply not appeal to so many Muslims. Hassan was looking for a way out in the texts and listed the "loopholes" he did find: either the United States must not fight anyone who was a Muslim or it must let him out of the military.
What Hassan neglected was an explanation that lay outside what his strict reading of the Muslim texts would allow him to say: the United States must fight, in general, because the Islamists have been the aggressors. And the United States is actually fighting as allies with one group of (more moderate) Muslims against another (of radical Islamists). Yet the texts always deal with the Muslim community as a united whole (the umma), an interpretation that just doesn't correspond with reality. Indeed and ironically, this view enables Islamists to themselves kill thousands of Muslims all over the world!
The fact that Hassan's lecture has not been the centerpiece of the whole post-massacre debate is a true example of how impoverished are the "experts," journalists, and politicians at dealing with these issues. Of course, without exploring the Islamic factor, they're wasting everyone's time. They're also going to be wasting quite a few lives.
Barry Rubin is director of the Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center and editor of the Middle East Review of International Affairs (MERIA) Journal. His latest books are The Israel-Arab Reader (seventh edition), The Long War for Freedom: The Arab Struggle for Democracy in the Middle East (Wiley), and The Truth About Syria (Palgrave-Macmillan).
Justin
Sun Nov 15 2009 19:07
" Islam is a religion which either incites its believers to commit acts of violence and terror, or it induces mass insanity."

Then why are so few Muslims terrorists? Doesn't the Hasan case stand out precisely because of how rare it is for an American Muslim to actually be involved in anything like a mass killing? If Islam is really what you say it is, there should be a mass murder every week.

Why isn't there?

Toby Bauer
Sun Nov 15 2009 12:33
You should apologize when the time inevitably comes that you're proved wrong. You are insulting the intelligence of everyone who reads these exchanges. Islam is a religion which either incites its believers to commit acts of violence and terror, or it induces mass insanity. It is a religion of murder, revenge, and hatred. Every so often and with some regularity, a cult leader who has succeeded at gaining control over his followers' minds by means of religious belief-systems, will get them to voluntarily commit murder or, even more often, mass suicide. You can argue that all 900 members just happened to go insane and "snap," if you want. But I will choose the far more plausible explanation of why people would follow orders to kill others or themselves is their religious belief system. That is obviously the common denominator, and only dummies can't or won't see that.
Your name
Sun Nov 15 2009 12:19
Preach it, Nick!






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