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Citta: Health reform myths exposed

Published: Friday, August 28, 2009

Updated: Friday, August 28, 2009 00:08

You know, there are a lot of myths going on in this messy health care debate. But I'm here to set the record straight: YOU'RE GOING TO DIE!

Well, eventually at least; the real question is whether your body will be shrouded with an American flag, or a Nazi swastika. A few heroes have shown us the ugly truth behind the guise of "affordable health care." Heroes like former New York lieutenant governor, Betsy McCaughey, who described an end-of-life counseling provision in the bill as "Euthanasia for the elderly."

I mean honestly people, you don't need counseling if you're about to die. Shut up and take it like a man.

Tanning bed enthusiast John Boehner also chipped in with his take, saying end of life counseling "may lead us down a treacherous path toward government encouraged euthanasia."

And then we have the intellectual-equivalent-of-a-dining-room-table Sarah Palin who incessantly propagated the death panel rumors/truths, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Each of these heroes, however, doesn't let the unsuspecting public in on the truly horrifying reality of this bill. Although McCaughey, Boehner and Palin have gotten the ball rolling, it's time to illustrate other, indisputable facts that comprise this death legislation — or deathslation.

First, health care will be free for all Nazis, seeing as how that's the official party affiliation of each member in the current administration.

Second, we all know the death panel "rumors" are actually truths. But these death panels are an umbrella term that represents a myriad grotesque sub-death panels. For example, there are the bear panels where people too sick to work are coated in pheromones and locked in a room with a giant bear who will, inevitably, maul their face off.

There are also CIA interrogation panels. If you're unfortunate enough to be diagnosed with cancer, then a couple cronies will kidnap you at night, wave a power drill in your face and threaten to rape your mother if you can't convince the cancer to go into remission.
I can only assume that they'll also stage a mock execution of a dying cancer kid in an adjoining room. Very scary stuff.

Another unknown scare, hidden within the 1,000 plus pages of the reform, is a plan to systematically wipe out all Caucasian Americans and replace them with Kenyans. It makes sense once you consider that Obama is an illegal Kenyan who has successfully infiltrated the White House. With this influential position in our government in the hands of a super villain, a discreet eugenics program is surely being implemented as we speak.

A newly added measure to the bill would find individuals who fall behind in their payments automatically referred to Michael Jackson's personal physician for the duration of their care.

And perhaps most shocking of all, there are the terminator panels for anyone who would, for whatever reason, be rendered an immobile quadriplegic. These poor souls would be forced to watch the latest Terminator movie while listening to the Nickelback discography ad nauseam.

A panel such as this would be most harmful to the population as a whole. Look at a man like Stephen Hawking whose contributions to theoretical physics have enriched our knowledge of the universe. If our health care system went to single-payer, then we'd demand that Dr. Hawking forego serious academic research in lieu of a punishing assault on the eyes and ears.

He would have to constantly be reminded that he is half machine as well. A fate worse than death.

A recent editorial in Investor's Business Daily (IBD) found prudence enough to comment on Hawking when it wrote, "People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless."

OK, so forget that IBD screwed up when they forgot that Hawking is a citizen of the United Kingdom and has received medical care from England's single-payer health system, the National Health Service (NHS), for his whole life. There's still a relevant thesis at the heart of IBD's editorial: Hawking would be absolutely screwed in the U.K.

Conveniently, Hawking had this to say about NHS: "I wouldn't be alive today if it weren't for the NHS. I have received a large amount of high quality treatment without which I would not have survived."

Did I mention the brainwashing program in our health reform bill? I'm pretty sure I did. Well, the U.K. has that, too.

And then there are the people who will foolishly try to use logic to quash these rumors/facts. Newsweek contributor Sharon Begley recently wrote a column in which she took every "crazy" rumor/fact espoused in the health care debate and rationally juxtaposed it with the "truth."

Many intellectuals quickly rebuffed her coherency. A housewife apparently suggested Begley obtain socialized medicine and die. A retired military curmudgeon called her an "Obama Zombie that had lost touch with reality."

Which brings up another scary provision in the health bill: can we allow for zombie health care? This administration certainly thinks so, even though zombies aren't even technically living. It's another concerted effort by Nazis to create a purely government-run system.

But the curmudgeon is right. People like him and I are the ones completely in sync with reality.

The real lesson to be learned here is that if a politician says something that sounds completely outrageous, then it's always true.

Heil zombies!

Kyle Citta is a senior English, History, Pre Med, Pre Law major. Reach him at kylecitta@dailynebraskan.com.

 

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32 comments

Justin
Mon Sep 21 2009 01:18
"Justin we gave you dozens of plans. "

No conservative has given me any plan whatsoever except "do absolutely nothing."

Your name
Sun Sep 20 2009 17:43
Justin when are the liberal democrats going to come up with a plan? The one they have does nothing to address any problems.
hope for change
Sun Sep 20 2009 17:41
Justin we gave you dozens of plans. You just aren't listening. Nor is Obama and the Democrats who haven't talked to Republicans since last April.

Doesn't matter anyway since your guys plans stink on ice.

Beside we don't need healthcare reform we need Presidential reform, as in a new President.

Rory
Fri Sep 4 2009 21:00
You guys make my head hurt. Reading this argument has renewed my appreciation for the tranquil joy of being iatrophobic and uninsured... :)
Justin
Fri Sep 4 2009 02:39
Still waiting to hear the conservative plan to cover the uninsured. Frankly, Richard, your facts are as phony as your degrees.
Glen Whitman
Fri Sep 4 2009 00:01
BARACK OBAMA and many in the Democratic Party look to Europe for inspiration for reforming America’s healthcare. Back in 2003, Mr. Obama said, “I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health-care program,” thereby endorsing the state-controlled health systems of countries such as Norway and Britain — and endorsing ideology over quality.

According to the World Health Organization, Mr. Obama was correct: In its highly influential World Health Report, America scores well below the vast majority of Western European countries — and even below the likes of Morocco and Costa Rica in one index. This report is frequently cited by Democratic reformers wanting to replace the U.S. market system with something a little more Continental. But an examination of the two indices in the WHO report tells us more about the ideology of the authors than the quality of American health care.

Michael Moore made great sport in his movie Sicko of pointing out that the WHO ranked the United States a lowly 37th in the world, considerably below top-10 France and Canada (although the United States is 15th in the other index). But, much like Mr. Moore himself, the rankings are far from impartial.

The most obvious bias is that 62.5 percent of their weighting concerns not quality of service but equality. In other words, the rankings are less concerned with the ability of a health system to make sick people better than with the political consideration of achieving equal access and state-controlled funding.

One of the five factors in the calculations is “Financial Fairness.” This favors systems that charge richer people a higher rate of health tax, irrespective of how much, or little, health service they use. Colombia comes out on top. This measure has nothing to do with the quality of health care, yet it counts for a quarter of the weighting.

The WHO claims that its rankings are a tool for comparing different means of financing health-care systems, yet this tool inherently favors taxpayer-funded systems and gives the rankings a bias that renders comparison pointless. As a result of this bias, the United States languishes in lowly 54th place on “Financial Fairness,” largely explaining its poor overall position.

The rankings include measures for “health level” and “responsiveness.” “Health level” is their way of saying life expectancy, while “responsiveness” refers to a survey based on “respect for persons” and elements such as speed of service, convenience and choice — yet even in these cases half the overall weighting is determined by considerations of equality. Thus, a country with a poor level of “responsiveness” throughout the population will score higher than a country with a good level in some parts and an excellent level in others.

The “health level” reliance on life expectancy is also dubious, as it is influenced by factors unrelated to health care, such as tobacco consumption, diet and so on. That some Americans are obese and smoke surely affects their health but has little to do with the health-care system per se — yet these factors again drag the U.S. down in the ranking.

Americans generally believe that whatever the other problems with the U.S. health-care system, its standards of care are high. In the details of the rankings there is evidence to support this: The “responsiveness” measurement, without the equality weighting, shows the United States as number one in the world — but this performance measure only makes up one-eighth of the ranking, dwarfed by the measures of equality and state funding.

Also left off are typical measures of health-care standards such as disease-specific five-year survival rates. With these, U.S. health care comes off somewhat better. In 2007, British medical journal The Lancet published research showing the United States to be the best in the world for cancer-survival rates, with Britain’s state-controlled “single-payer” National Health Service disturbingly far behind. It showed that a man under the United Kingdom’s tottering 60-year-old NHS has an 18 percent lower chance of surviving cancer than a man under the U.S. system.

Of course, this does not mean the U.S. health system is perfect. There is near-consensus on the need to address increasing costs, waste and the fact that too many Americans still lack insurance. But decision-makers and voters must beware ideological arguments and rankings that falsely depict idyllic socialist health systems. They do not exist.

Glen Whitman is an associate professor of economics at California State University.

Richard G. Fessler, MD, PhD
Thu Sep 3 2009 23:44
Justin: Oh your using the World Health Organization's figures aren't you?The media and political community have made a big deal out of the fact that the U.S. ranks 37 out of 191 countries on the World Health Organization’s Health Care Ranking System. Is this tool a credible way to compare quality health care delivered in the U.S. vs the rest of the world? Let’s be perfectly clear about this, the United States Health Care is second to none! Ask the tens of thousands of patients who travel internationally to the US every year for their health care. As an example of the quality of health care delivered in the US, Americans have a higher survival rate than any other country on earth for 13 of 16 of the most common cancers. Perhaps that is why Belinda Stronach, former liberal member of the Canadian Parliament and Cabinet member (one of the health care systems touted as “superior” to the US) abandoned the Canadian Health Care system to undergo her cancer treatment in California.1 But to understand how WHO derives this misleading statistic, which has been ballyhooed widely by both the media and politicians alike, you need to understand how it is created. WHO’s health care rankings are constructed from five factors each weighted according to a formula derived by WHO. These are: 1. Health Level: 25 percent2. Health Distribution: 25 percent 3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent “Health level” is a measure of a countries “disability adjusted life expectancy”. This factor makes sense, since it is a direct measure of the health of a country’s residents. However, even “life expectancy” can be affected by many factors not related to health care per se, such as poverty, homicide rate, dietary habits, accident rate, tobacco use, etc. In fact, if you remove the homicide rate and accidental death rate from MVA’s from this statistic, citizens of the US have a longer life expectancy than any other country on earth.2 “Responsiveness” measures a variety of factors such as speed of service, choice of doctors, and amenities (e.g. quality of linens). Some of these make sense to include (speed of service) but some have no direct relationship to health care (quality of linens). These two factors at least make some sense in a ranking of health care, but each is problematic as well. The other three factors are even worse. “Financial fairness” measures the percentage of household income spent on health care. It can be expected that the “percentage” of income spent on health care decreases with increasing income, just as is true for food purchases and housing. Thus, this factor does not measure the quality or delivery of health care, but the value judgment that everyone should pay the same “percentage” of their income on health care even regardless of their income or use of the system. This factor is biased to make countries that rely on free market incentives look inferior. It rewards countries that spend the same percentage of household income on health care, and punishes those that spend either a higher or lower percentage, regardless of the impact on health. In the extreme then, a country in which all health care is paid for by the government (with money derived from a progressive tax system), but delivers horrible health care, will score perfectly in this ranking, whereas a country where the amount paid for health care is based on use of the system, but delivers excellent health care will rank poorly. To use this factor to justify more government involvement in health care, therefore, is using circular reasoning since this factor is designed to favor government intervention. “Health Distribution and Responsiveness Distribution” measure inequality in the other factors. In other words, neither factor actually measures the quality of health care delivery, because “inequality of delivery” is independent of “quality of care”. It is possible, for example, to have great inequality in a health care system where the majority of the population gets “excellent” health care, but a minority only gets “good” health care. This system would rank more poorly on these measures than another country that had “equal”, but poor, health care throughout the system.In summary, therefore, the WHO ranking system has minimal objectivity in its “ranking” of world health. It more accurately can be described as a ranking system inherently biased to reward the uniformity of “government” delivered (i.e. “socialized”) health care, independent of the care actually delivered. In that regard the relatively low ranking of the US in the WHO system can be viewed as a “positive” testament to at least some residual “free market” influence (also read “personal freedom”) in the American Health Care system. The American health care consumer needs to understand what the WHO ranking does and does not say about American health. Don’t be fooled by “big government”...
what a joke
Thu Sep 3 2009 23:32
"But it's not. It's not "better than elsewhere in the world", in fact we're ranked 37th in terms of the quality of our health care - from metrics ranging from life expectancy, to infant mortality, to cancer survival rates, to rates of medical errors and malpractice, to time spend waiting for care, and so on. 37th." Were do you get these stats from your ass. I know a lot of them to be wrong and I bet with further investigation I'd find the rest of them to be wrong.
As for the guys with plans you look it up lazy.
Frankly You seem to suggest that we gut our medical system and surrender one six of our nation's economy and our freedom to a bunch of incompetent clowns in Washington. To provide insurance and deminished health care to 11 million people in a nation of 330 million? Does that make sense to you?
"You've presented a bunch of false or misleading criticisms of Medicare. I'm still waiting to hear the conservative health care plan. All you've presented are misleading attacks against Obama, Democrats, and wildly successful government health care programs like Medicare (which every senior is on) and the VA system (which, by any measure, provides a greater quality of care than our private system.)
What? You Loutz Medicare is going insolvent. And if you think the VA is so good maybe you'd like to be in VA hospital. I know you don't qualify but I have heard such wonderful things about their efficiency. Is right in the level of other government run hospital systems like Cuba the former Soviet Union or Dackow.
The misleading I've seen comes from Obama and the Democratic leadership who have constantly misrepresented this healthcare scheme of theirs and have punctuated it with a steam of lies. The fact is their plan is so unworkable, so inefficient, so threatful to our health and freedom and yet so good for their love of power that the only way they can advocate it is through lies, distortions, falsehoods and personal attacks. I don't have to misrepresent them they do it for themselves.
I wish Obama had you working on this healthcare fiasco of his. You'd get it destroyed in record time
Justin
Wed Sep 2 2009 15:59
"Don't know?"

No, I don't know. Could you explain it to me?

" Health care in America is still better than elsewhere in the world"

But it's not. It's not "better than elsewhere in the world", in fact we're ranked 37th in terms of the quality of our health care - from metrics ranging from life expectancy, to infant mortality, to cancer survival rates, to rates of medical errors and malpractice, to time spend waiting for care, and so on. 37th.

On the other hand, collectively we spend half again as much per capita as the next most-expensive health care system. That's right, we spend the most to get below-average care.

"Tom Coburn has a plan:"

And what is that plan? You've presented a bunch of false or misleading criticisms of Medicare. I'm still waiting to hear the conservative health care plan. All you've presented are misleading attacks against Obama, Democrats, and wildly successful government health care programs like Medicare (which every senior is on) and the VA system (which, by any measure, provides a greater quality of care than our private system.)

"Bobby Jindal has some good ideas:"

What are they? Why is it that every time you're about to tell me what the conservative plan for health care is, you stop and switch to attacks on Democrats?

From one two three.net
Wed Sep 2 2009 15:17
What is the conservative alternative for health care reform?

Don't know? It's not because it does not exist, it's because the MSM(Main Stream Media) could care less, and so could the Obama administration. It seems to me that all he is doing is trying to streamroll his ideological and non-sustainable program through as fast as possible.

But ask Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl of Arizona if the GOP is just trying to make Obama fail, he responds "that's just a political ad." In a short interview this morning on NPR, he was clear, calm, and sensible. Please, may sense prevail, because

* Health care in America is still better than elsewhere in the world, not on the verge of catastrophe (like all liberal issues which are trumped up to emergencies)
* The Obama plan will make it WORSE, not better.

I mean, wanna see government run healthcare? Look at Medicare (insolvent), Veterans Care (poor), Native American Care (poor), and Social Security (insolvent). They can't even run the "Cash for Clunkers" program well.

The minority whip sounds sane. Obama's plan is insane, just like a real Joker might promote. Healthcare Should Be Right, Not Just Quick.

I mentioned a couple of Conservative plans earlier you don't seem to have read them

Tom Coburn has a plan:

Our current health care costs are largely driven by government regulations that prevent competition between doctors and insurance companies as well as price fixing for the failing Medicare and Medicaid programs. If people could buy insurance ala carte, and across state lines, the market competition would change the landscape entirely. As it is, federal and state law prohibit both things. Medicare and Medicaid also underpay doctors, which deflates a bit just how bloated and failing they are, and also drives up private insurance costs (because SHOCK, the doctors pass on those costs...).

With Medicare, Medicaid, VA, and the Indian Reservations health care systems all failing financially and/or in service, I have no confidence that the fed can control healthcare for the whole nation. Heck, for that matter they couldn't forecast Cash for Clunkers properly by several orders of magnitude (1 week actual vs. 4 months predicted).

Combine that with disengenuous statements by our President (telling the lady at the AARP meeting that no one was talking about cutting services from Medicaid when he had just a month previously talked about cutting $300B from Medicaid; videod statements about using "public option" as a trojan horse for single payer, favoring single payer personally, and then saying that he's not making any attempt at single payer; deriding Bush for trying to push through legislation without deliberation and then trying to push through legislation without deliberation; instructing followers to get in the face of their neighbors on the health care issue then complaining about rude tactics by opponents; putting out the word to get after "false grassroots" opponents and then sending out a mass email to all supporters to form grass roots support) and even people who favor socialized medicine and single payer systems should have a bad taste about THIS process.

Bobby Jindal has some good ideas:

Justin
Wed Sep 2 2009 01:38
"No they don't they get the best private plans that are marketable available."

No, they get public health coverage administered by private companies. Which is the public option - the government reimbursing private health care providers from public funds. There's absolutely no difference between the health care members of Congress get and the public option, which is basically just the expansion of the Medicare seniors already get to everyone else. If it's good enough for Grandma there's no reason it can't work for us.

"Just how great is the health plan Congress is on? Why do they refuse to take part in their new plan for the country? "

They don't refuse. Conservatives refuse, when they agitate against the public option. You're the one who's against expanding Congress's health care to all Americans, not me.

"Among the advantages: a choice between 10 health care plans that provide access to a national network of doctors, including numerous HMOs that serve each member's state."

The public option also has a national network of doctors - the exact same doctors you're seeing now.

"Other advantages in their coverage are: no exclusions for pre-existing conditions and no waiting periods. As soon as you are hired or begin work you're covered."

Also a feature of the public option you oppose.

"How about $20 dollar co-pay on office visits, $10 generic drug prescriptions, and immunizations are free."

Also in the public option.

"The plan is such a nice deal that it's offered to the estimated 8.5 million federal workers and their families. "

Which is why Obama is trying to offer it to everybody.

"That's less than a new car payment even with the “cash for clunkers” incentive."

Wow, the public option sounds like a really great deal! So why do you oppose it? Because Glenn Beck told you to? Because you're under the delusion that government-paid-for health care is government-run medicine? It doesn't work that way for the seniors and Congressmen already on public health care; why would it work that way for anybody else?

Congressional healthcare
Wed Sep 2 2009 00:52
Justin says "I guess I don't understand. The "same insurance Congress gets" would be the public option, because members of Congress - like John McCain - get government health care. But you think government health care is bad. So you're actually opposed to 11 million Americans getting the same insurance Congress gets."

No they don't they get the best private plans that are marketable available. You've been listening to to many of Obama's lies as in:

"I HAVE GREAT HEALTH INSURANCE AND SO DOES CONGRESS."

Those are the words of President Obama. Just how great is the health plan Congress is on? Why do they refuse to take part in their new plan for the country? There must be certain advantages that make it hard to give up. Well, let's take a look.

Among the advantages: a choice between 10 health care plans that provide access to a national network of doctors, including numerous HMOs that serve each member's state. (In comparison, 85% of private companies offering health coverage to their employees only offer one type of plan, usually the least expensive, with an option for individual or family coverage.) They also receive special treatment at Washington's federal medical facilities and, for a additional monthly fee, they have access to their own pharmacy and doctors, nurses and medical technicians in the medical office conveniently located between the House and Senate chambers. Other advantages in their coverage are: no exclusions for pre-existing conditions and no waiting periods. As soon as you are hired or begin work you're covered.

What else can we add? How about $20 dollar co-pay on office visits, $10 generic drug prescriptions, and immunizations are free. Also if they do use Walter Reed or The Naval Hospital for treatment, much of that is taxpayer subsidized. The cost? The cost for a family plan is a little over $1000 a month, of course taxpayers pay about $700 of that so their total cost for family coverage is around $300 a month. That's less than a new car payment even with the “cash for clunkers” incentive.

The plan is such a nice deal that it's offered to the estimated 8.5 million federal workers and their families. To the American taxpayer the price tag is around 15 billion yearly. Now it's easy to understand why Nancy Pelosi and Henry Waxman don't want to include themselves in any public plan they cook up for the rest of us. As a matter of fact, the Federal Plan is exempt from any reform. I love how these people look after the public interest while protecting their own.

Justin
Tue Sep 1 2009 00:52
"So if we eliminate them we have maybe 11 million uninsured in a nation of over 300 million. "

Sure, 11 million people. What's the conservative plan to ensure these people, if conservatives are opposed to the public option? I still haven't heard it from you.

"we could insure these people with the same insurance that congress gets for a fraction of the cost that this ludacras program costs and not destroy the finest medical system in the world."

I guess I don't understand. The "same insurance Congress gets" would be the public option, because members of Congress - like John McCain - get government health care. But you think government health care is bad. So you're actually opposed to 11 million Americans getting the same insurance Congress gets.

So what's the conservative plan to insure 11 million uninsured Americans?

"Face it Justin Citta "

Who is "Justin Citta"?

The faith of a boy and his dog
Mon Aug 31 2009 22:23
Justine Citta says "So what's the conservative plan, then, for providing healthcare to those who can't afford it? To those who can't be insured because of existing conditions?" And who are these people? Some say its 40 million. But that's including illegal aliens and those who simply don't chose to be insured. So if we eliminate them we have maybe 11 million uninsured in a nation of over 300 million. So to insure them we are expected to accept a asinine program that will gut and puree everyone's medical care, a plan that will allow federal bureaucrats access to our tax and medical records, a plan that will allow Federal bureaucrats to detrermine when we should belch, burp and fart. heavens we could insure these people with the same insurance that congress gets for a fraction of the cost that this ludacras program costs and not destroy the finest medical system in the world. Does this make sense to you?
Its plain as day that this is not about providing insurance to the uninsured this is about a government take over of our health system through the use of a single payer socialist system and with this control, the Governments control over our lives.
I refer to the plans submitted by the House and the Senate as Obamacare, a term I use because even thought the White House has no plan of its own the President wants a single payer plan and he will sign anything that has a public option. You might think it is "absurd to think that it's the business of the President, under any system, to administrate health care" but Obama doesn't think its absurd and that is what he intends to do. Its clear in the provisons of the proposed bills and it is clear in White House strategy. Don't forget that "Hope and Change" BS. This guy wants to total change this country. A single payer plan administer in this country will need executive supervision. You don't really think Obama wants to be out of the power loop do you? And it really can't be done without him.
"Still waiting to hear that conservative plan for the uninsured. So far it sounds like it's just "they can all screw off and die." I did place alternative plans. But you want to pretend that SIngle payer socialism is the only way. You seem more interested in this fantasy that Obama has the answer. You do realize that he is the major proponent of this insane socialization experiment don't you? I get the impression that you don't nor do you seem to understand the nature and scope of this overreaching piece of garbage.
I say that the private sector is the only alternative because it is. The federal government is reaching bankruptcy in case you didn't notice. It can't afford the programs that it presently is engaging in. In fact the only hope is a massive spending cut probably one third of the 2007 budget.
Obamacare is counterproductive, unworkable, and unsustainable.
You say that I advocate "No choice but to do what our corporate overlords deem best? And you think it's Obamacare that will eliminate freedom? Typically conservative." How ignorant and how naive. Don't you know that Washington and corporate America are in bed in this Healthcare fiasco? Haven't you notice that Obama and company never criticize the pharmaceutical companies? That's because big pharma made a deal with the Democratic leadership. If this "healthcare reform get passed they make a mint and you'll get screwed. Your blind faith in Obama and the Democrats to have your best interests in mind is touching but misplaced and sad. It ignores the the corrupt nature of the Washington power establishment.
Face it Justin Citta Obama is the one whose saying "they can all screw off and die."
Justin
Mon Aug 31 2009 11:10
"Justin Citta"

Who is "Justin Citta"?

"I'm glad you agree with me that one sixth of the nations economy will be under federal control and the President as Chief Executive will be the ultimate authority for caring out the will of congress"

But I don't agree with that. I think, in fact, that that is an incredibly stupid and wrong claim. It's absurd to think that it's the business of the President, under any system, to administrate health care. That's not how it works in any other country, it's not how it works under Medicare in this country, and it's obviously not how it would work under a "Medicare for all" system, either.

"By the way does Obama have a health care plan? Answer NO!!!! "

Then why are you calling it "ObamaCare" and not "CongressCare"? Or, better yet - Medicare? Since that's the government-run health care that we already have, after all.

"The health industry all needs tort reform to end outlandish lawsuits which raise the price of medical care massively through higher premiums for malpractice insurance and the need for unnecessary test and procedures. "

Tort reform, in a system where tort claims constitute 1.5% of all health care spending, isn't going to insure the uninsured or stop the industry practice of rescission. It is, on the other hand, going to reduce the effectiveness of our health care system by eliminating the sole incentive for doctors not to make mistakes or take unnecessary risks.

"The solution has to come from the private sector. We have no choice."

No choice but to do what our corporate overlords deem best? And you think it's ObamaCare that will eliminate freedom? Typically conservative.

Still waiting to hear that conservative plan for the uninsured. So far it sounds like it's just "they can all screw off and die."

Another loon correction
Mon Aug 31 2009 00:16
Or I should say it isn't about you.
Sorry about the title looks like cussing
Mon Aug 31 2009 00:14
GOT MY FINGERS STUCK ON THE KEYS MEANT WE CAN'T AFFORD OBAMA CARE.

Wonder when crazy Justin Citta will libel me with the racist label. IF you criticize Obama he calls you a racist.

By the way Justin Citta who cares what your called? This isn't about you?

WE CAN"T AFFORD OBAMACARE!!!
Mon Aug 31 2009 00:10
Justin Citta You may not be aware of this but this is not the UK. Also Obama is very much interested in administering this boondoggle. He will have the machinery in place and as Chief executive he will have the responsibility to carry it out. It seems a shame that you are so ignorant of the goings on in your own country.
I'm glad you agree with me that one sixth of the nations economy will be under federal control and the President as Chief Executive will be the ultimate authority for caring out the will of congress. I'm sure he just can't wait.
By the way does Obama have a health care plan? Answer NO!!!! HE's just parroting plans written by Congress. Does Congress have "a plan for providing healthcare to those who can't afford it?" The answer: NO!!! Their plan will deprive people of health insurance(sixty to eighty million to be exact) and for them to take up substandard health insurance against their will. Besides this isn't about providing insurance this is about power grabs in case you aren't aware.
I can think of a couple of conservative plans The Heritage plan and The Gramm plan. The health industry all needs tort reform to end outlandish lawsuits which raise the price of medical care massively through higher premiums for malpractice insurance and the need for unnecessary test and procedures. Can't help but notice Obama and Congress are strangely silent on that one perhaps its the millions and millions of campaign contributions from the Trial Lawyers. We can also streamline state laws concerning health insurance making the selection of cheaper insurance policies easier.
What we can't do is adopt Obamacare. WE can't afford it. The solution has to come from the private sector. We have no choice.
What this is all about
Sun Aug 30 2009 23:39
Ignored in this talk of a government health care plan is the fact that this nation can't afford this program. We are already facing projections of $9 Trillion dollars in debt (possibly more). This crippling debt provides the prospect of national bankruptcy. Add to this debt will be over a trillion dollars for a "healthcare" program that will diminish the quality of our healthcare and threaten our freedom. Add to this are other schemes like Cap n Trade which will contribute more mountains of debt and hamstring our economy. We face generations of poverty and worthless debased currency all for unsustainable programs.
About this time you might ask yourself: This Obama seems like a smart guy then why would he add this kind of ruinous debt. Why is he agreeing it printing money like its going out of style and setting us up for the worst hyperinflation in our nations history? It doesn't make much sense does it?
One possible reason is that Obama may be using this mountain of debt as a pretext for gargantuan tax increases. This would appeal to him as a means to redistribute the nations wealth. He believes that the wealthy gained their wealth on the backs on the poor, that they got wealthy at he expense of the poorer members of society by stealing wealth from the poor. The way to correct this is to redistribute wealth from those who stole it to those who he determines deserve it. A sort of "social justice".
Furthermore destroying the economy as he is doing allows him the power to reconstruct it according to his vision of "social justice". It doesn't matter to him that such redistribution schemes never work and in this case it will reduce the United States to a third world nation for in his arrogance he feels that he can do the impossible. Like the messiah who turned water into wine Obama thinks that he can magically turn wealth into poverty and somehow from this destruction create what he believes to be a more perfect nation. He believes he can do the impossible and in his hubris he will blindly take us down the path of destruction.

GUARANTEED

Justin
Sun Aug 30 2009 02:52
"Obviously you most be Kyle Citta since no one else would make such a idiotic and ludicrous statement."

So what's the conservative plan, then, for providing healthcare to those who can't afford it? To those who can't be insured because of existing conditions? Please, by all means, show me how conservatives are actually interested in providing healthcare to those who don't have the money for it.

"The so called health reform initiative will place one sixth of our economy in the hands of the federal government specifically one Barack Obama."

It's amazing to have conservatives object to being portrayed as loons by Citta and then, at the same time, conservatives post here and prove them right. Only a deeply disturbed individual, or some kind of moron, would believe that it's the President's responsibility to oversee the health care system.

Is that how you idiots believe it works in the UK? Every medical decision has to go through the Queen?







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