*Editors note: This column was published on February 22, 2013. 

Feminism has met its goals and women are now equal with men as they should be. We are truly beginning to see feminism change our economy, college campuses and relationships. However, an overreaching has begun to happen through feminism whether or not they realize it.

Feminism has achieved what it was set out to do, and now that women are considered equal, ‘feminists’ want more. The movement is ruining modern relationships, and it’s bringing about the downfall of men. This can easily be seen by the numbers on a college campus and in the modern economy.

The fact of the matter is: the rules of survival have changed. No longer do people need to be risk takers, strong and resilient to survive in the world. So, in an economy that relies on communication and thinking over physical strength, women are excelling, according to the Institutions and Development Database.

This is because the job market is better suited for women, and the idea that men are more competitive than women has all but disappeared. Business-women have started to eclipse men in many companies for pay and position.

For the first time in 2010, women made up a majority of the workforce, and in 2011 women held 51.4 percent of all jobs in management or professional positions, while holding 46.6 percent of all jobs in the labor force. The argument that women simply can’t make it in today’s economy is a fallacy as the statistics show; it’s the women who are on top now and increasing their numbers as Fortune 500 CEOs in the past years.

College and relationships, however, have a greater impact on the immediate student body. According to Hanna Rosin and her article “The End of Men,” women earn 60 percent of all masters’ degrees, 42 percent of all MBAs and 60 percent of all bachelor’s degrees. Women have become equal in both the realms of education and economics, but feminists fail to acknowledge both of these statistics. So, they continue to push against the ‘evil man’ until they can push no further.

However, men also may not be adapting to an ever changing environment that we are now a part of. Markets that require typical male attributes were the greatest areas affected by the decrease of blue collar jobs during the recession. This has hurt men and the male egos. Still guys, we need to adapt, pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and claim our place on the pedestal next to women as equals.

The advancement of feminism past the point we’re at now poses dire consequences for women. Men have begun to adopt a habit where they are no longer being held to a higher standard, so they can slum it in college receiving C’s, while women would kill for an A. Don’t get me wrong; the blame shouldn’t be placed on women, as it isn’t their fault that men chose to only half-ass it in school. The grade difference may come from women wanting to prove themselves in a “men’s” world, whereas men may become complacent.

The gender gap favoring females has gotten so bad that many colleges are trying to bring more men in than women to keep enrollment equal. The rolls have flipped. Men are now the minority in certain schools, and affirmative action may be swinging the other way.

Men have fallen behind by their own doing as well as overreaching feminism. Yet, women are the ones who are hurt the most when it comes to relationships. Feminism has disturbed the modern relationship and thrown equal relationships off balance. An equal relationship should be when two people work together to achieve a common outcome based on mutual desires.

However, relationships today are based on who can get the last word in, who can outdo the other, essentially who comes out on top. Suzanne Venker the author of “The War on Men,” stated, “Feminism didn’t result in equality between the sexes – it resulted in mass confusion. Today, men and women have no idea who’s supposed to do what.”

This statement is best reflected in modern-day relationships, specifically between those of us who are in college, or leaving it for the real world. Instead of the ideal marriage feminists told you marriage would become, it has become nothing more than a last resort for many women who want to have kids but find themselves running out of time on their biological clock.

The fact is women have become so independent and focused on their work many have forgotten how to have a relationship based on mutual understanding and cooperation. Instead, it has become a competition, and feminism has turned relationships into a competition of equality as well.

According Suzanne Venker, men have it so easy when it comes to relationships. No longer are men required to buckle down and court a woman to receive some satisfaction for their ‘needs.’ Women, like men, are willing to have quick, easy relationships with little strings attached, or one night stands to satisfy them. In regards to equality, there is nothing wrong with this. However, this plays into the stereotypical male mentality – one which I disagree with and don’t think feminists should strive for. It is a mentality of promiscuity and conquests verses nurturing a relationship and respecting a woman for who she is.

The idea of equality can take on two forms. It can either be interchangeable, as when one perfect replica takes the place of the former. Or it can take the shape of equality of value, as in a relationship. In our case, valuing the other sex as equals because they can provide traits you can’t, and vice versa. This doesn’t mean that women need to do gender-specific activities or men need to do their gender-specific set as well in their lives or a relationship. All it means, is men and women in a relationship need to value one another equally and agree to their responsibilities to the relationship, together in mutual partnership.

In the end, women and men should be equal. Yet, being equal doesn’t mean pushing men off the platform. It means working together to create better relationships, a more lucrative economy for all, and encouraging stronger moral principles in our youth’s lives.

The notion that women should be protected, and have the door held open for them will always be something this writer places value on, which is not anti-feminist. It is in fact the opposite. A man who places value on a woman in a way such as this is anything but a pig, for we are not equal because we are interchangeable. We are equal because we value each other’s joys, sorrows and talents in a manner completely original to us, yet completely definitive of what a man and woman look for in each other.

Zach Nold is a senior English major. Reach him at opinion@dailynebraskan.com

This is a part of the Daily Nebraskan's point/counterpoint, featured once a week. To see the other side, read Ruth Boettner's article about how feminism means more than equality.

(528) comments

m

I have no idea if this column is being serious or trolling...

troyandabed

If this article were written with the same language, but changed "feminism" to "civil rights", "men" to "whites" and women to "blacks" it could have been written in 1968. This is the most shallow and myopic take on "feminism" I have read yet. I would expect this article from a High School newspaper, not from a supposed college senior.

Johnny

I really want this writer to take a feminist blog like Jezebel, reword it to say woman instead of man and masculinist instead of feminist. Then we'd see some fur fly. And when people are at the point of lighting torches and setting up a gallows for inciting violence and oppression against women, he can laugh and point to feminist blog sites and say "lol, you guys, I just stole their material".

You see, it's a problem of perspective. Hate groups have a free pass if they describe themselves as feminists.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

You know full well that they would only say he is even more sexist for doing that, because their own logic is airtight and one directional.

The depths to which feminists will sink to rationalize their doublethink are astounding.

Morgananan

Jeez, read this http://www.dailynebraskan.com/opinion/article_91dd504c-7c8e-11e2-9688-001a4bcf6878.html

husker98027

This makes me sick. Women are STILL making less money than men are - The most recent data shows that women working full time, year round are paid 77 cents for every dollar paid to their male counterparts. It's much worse for the typical African-American woman paid 64 cents and the typical Latina woman paid 55 cents for every dollar paid to a white, non-Hispanic man. Just because women have jobs doesn't mean they're being treated fairly. Zach Nold CLEARLY does not understand what it means to be disenfranchised. His ignorance is astounding and, frankly, his columns make me think lower of the DN as a whole.

Mr_Mister

Women make less because they take time off to have kids and they are more likely to go into lower paying professions. On an hour-to-hour basis, it's a feminist lie that women make less than men. Men are more likely to be in high paying STEM fields while women may go into human resources or marketing or PR or something.

Dixon

Yes, women have much lower productivity, take time off, don't study or develop hard skills (see the below link to an article by a feminist who is a theater major) and almost entirely avoid dangerous and manual labor.

Lea

Women dont make less http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-don-t-make-less-money-than-men.html http://www.topmanagementdegrees.com/women-dont-make-less/
http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/

husker98027

Also, I would like to add that Zach Nold is the one who wrote this wonderful piece that completely objectified women: http://admin.collegepublisher.com/preview/mobile/2.3308/2.3912/1.2433629

How am I supposed to take him seriously when he is obviously a misogynist?

Johnny

Oh definitely. Him pointing out that women are objectifying themselves in order to get attention is misogynistic. Tell us more of your amazing theories.

Johnny

Feminists seem sometimes like they came from another world or something.

her: This writer is neither insightful or controversial. What he is is sexist. He may have the opinion that leggings are not attractive clothing and that, in his all knowing opinion, God never intended them to be worn as pants.

How old are these girls? And they're this naive?

her: That is a perfectly fine opinion to have as we are all entitled to them. What he isn't entitled to is to inform women that they "need to reconsider how to wear leggings," because it either turns him on or repulses him. Also, it is no one's business if I do or don't wear leggings and "get around." I am entitled to sleep with as many people as I please. If you choose to treat me differently, because you are small minded and sexist, then I truly pity you. Also, it does not bother me that one could imagine what I might look like naked, because I've worn leggings in public.

Someone called her out on her shit, and now, she's mad. Screw everyone who has to look, she's wearing the fucking leggings. She is determined to live a life of hedonism, because "IMMA STRONG WOMYN I'LL DO WHATEVER I WANT!!", which is the feminist equivalent of YOLO, and she's mad because she doesn't want to have to held accountable, because she doesn't want to grow the fuck up. I hate this big insipid little girls pretending they're not stupid.

her: I am not ashamed of my body, and I don't feel the need to hide it.

Apparently she has no concept of being sexually reserved. Why are they so offended by the concept and wish to stomp it out and pretend it's invalid? Why are they this stupid that they can't understand the concept of reserving that only for someone special? But they'll continue onwards in their vain struggle against nature, all while trying to deny it's existance, and they think if they're loud enough, it will change.

NoldHater

I can't begin to express my distaste for this piece. It doesn't matter that this is supposedly an opinion -- publishing it makes the DN look like a shit rag. Zach Nold is an embarrassment to the paper and should've been terminated long ago. Spreading ideas such as these perpetuates discriminatory ideologies. Nold is a goddamn blemish on the face of the state of Nebraska. His antiquated, small-minded excuse for an opinion is a complete fucking joke, and to give him a platform on which to dispense that opinion to the general public is an outrage. His superior at the DN should be ashamed for allowing this drivel to hit the page.

JennaLothrop

here here!

Dixon

Not a single reference to the substance of the article in your profanity filled rant. Bravo!

taylorh

Thank you for sharing your opinion. I agree with a lot of what you said and it's awesome that you have the courage to be honest and share in a respectful manner. I am a woman who is not a huge fan of feminism and how it's changing our society. I am not saying that we should be oppressed or have less opportunities but we are made differently than men to do a different job.

m

Uhh, you're a woman? Really? Because I cannot imagine how any rational woman would support this the way you are.

You're made to do a specific job? It's 2013, you're not made to do anything.

Ayn Rand
Ayn Rand

As a strong, politically involved woman, writer, and philosopher, I would have to disagree with you entirely.
To be honest, I'm having a hard time believing you are actually a woman. I suspect that you are one of the following:
Zach Nold
Zach Nold's mom (still not a woman)
Zach Nold's drinking buddy

Please respond asap so I can better understand your debilitating stupidity.

Johnny

says the person with no credibility due to using a picture of the person they supposedly hate.

TFP

Airtight.

husker98027

"how it's changing our society" do you enjoy the right to vote? Jesus, please educate yourself

cohagen
cohagen

Dude, I think you posted on the wrong site. The DerN is over here -> http://dailyernebraskan.com/

c

This article makes me sick and I think so much less of the DN now. This is so incredibly offensive to women and should have never been published. The DN should be ashamed. As an alum of UNL, I am incredibly disappointed and am embarrassed that this is the sort of article that is approved by superiors and published. Shame on you.

AntiFat

Prior to this, how high was the DN thought of by you? [beam]

JackntheBeanStalk

So if I'm interpreting this right, men are testicles with legs, and women are uteri with legs?

kat685

Holy wow, I can't even begin to explain how ridiculous and ill-informed this is. The author can't get through the first twelve words without making it obvious he has no idea what he's talking about.

memorialred

Let me begin with a comment on how this is edited. As an English major, the author should know not to switch between the passive voice and speaking in the third person. I'm a music major, and even I know that.

Secondly, this is an opportunity for the author to look at his point of view from his privilege point. Society has granted him the privilege of being an upper middle class, educated, white male. Yet he is acting like he's the victim of the oppression of feminists? I would like to see his sources of information for the data he presents in this article. Because according to National Committee on Pay Equity, women only make 77 cents to a man's dollar. So a woman makes 77% of what a man does. And we're only speaking about WHITE women. How does that make it seem that women are "on top"?

The author makes sweeping general statements about the quality of a modern woman's relationship and sexuality. Again, let's reinforce the patriarchal standards of what is acceptable in a woman. Or in anyone! The author is clearly slut-shaming both men and women for being promiscuous. I don't know the author, but he still has no right to comment on the promiscuity, or lack there of, of any person male or female.

I'm honestly disgusted with this article. [thumbdown]

Dixon

Wow, you sound like a bad stereotype of an empty headed undergrad. Congrats on referencing the patriarchy and white male privilege in your screed. And thanks for confirming you are mindlessly regurgitating undergrad talking points by referring to the authors privileged upper middle class background and then stating you don't even know him.

Lea

Women don't make less. Feminists LIE about wage gap saying women are paid 77 cents to the dollar. Maybe in SOME jobs but it is usually 95 cents. They may be unrepresented but not paid less. This is also about choice. Feminists make outlandish claims. The "wage gap" is FALSE . Under employment is another thing but that is also the SAME for men! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyFjPHwF6To http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-don-t-make-less-money-than-men.html http://www.topmanagementdegrees.com/women-dont-make-less/ http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWAlg48fNwE


RightsforAll

Perhaps before voicing opinions about gender equality you should do a little research beyond what you come up with when typing up a stream of consciousness. Last I checked, women still make an average of $12,000 less per year than our male-counterparts. This is the first of many errors in an article filled with obtuse, misinformed statements.

http://www.pay-equity.org/

Dixon

Well, if pay equity says so. They certainly sound like an objective website. Undergrads - you must research all evidence, not simply throw out a stat that supports your position. It makes you appear quite stupid.

kbb

I'm choosing to believe that this is a piece written to purposely rile its audience and see how people respond, perhaps for some sort of ridiculous class project. If i believed anything other than that, it would mean that UNL is now admitting some of the most ill-informed, backwoods, insecure idiots known to man, and that would depress me as an alum. Good luck with that project!

FlyFlyPizzaPie2

I love the basis for this opinion's bombastic statements - other people's books and articles that support the presupposed view - failing to acknowledge how those writers came to their conclusions.

Cool DN. Keep sharing sensational claims that bring in the page views. Fuck self-respect.

dpkeller

thanks for giving me something to laugh at today! I couldn't contain my laughter past the first sentence. Then I started feeling sad when I realized you actually think this way....

laur

I am a feminist because of men like you.

Whatonearth
Whatonearth

Perhaps the author should have chosen a different major.

Whatonearth
Whatonearth

Also, you might consider sending this to The Onion! Seriously, it will get the attention it deserves.

taylorpbrooks

Does the Daily Nebraskan have such a juvenile conception of its role as a newspaper and of its First Amendment rights that it continues to publish this writer's ridiculous trash in some manic effort to prove that they know that they can? Congratulations, DN, you've stirred up some conversation. Now please, post something worthy of the University of Nebraska.

orangeclouds7
orangeclouds7

My god, Nord, you're a senior English major? I weep for my alma mater. Your ridiculously glib and ignorant opinions aside, this piece reads like a middle school topical essay. Ouch.

AntiFat

James Bond was called "glib" I'd say you're on the right track Nold [thumbup]

Abbie
Abbie

It's so incredibly frustrating to see straight white males deny the presence of undeserved privilege in their life. Open your eyes.

ddtx

PROTIP: Before attempting to write an article about feminism, make sure you actually know something about feminism. Or else you'll look like this guy.

mls312

Thoughts:

1. I find it ironic that rule #4 for commenting says no sexism, and yet that is exactly what this article is.
2. You need to talk to a feminist, because you have an incredibly skewed definition of what feminism is.
3. There is solid research to counter pretty much every point made here.
4. This: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/men-dont-recognize-benevolent-sexism_n_885430.html

Keaton Soto-Olson
Keaton Soto-Olson

A poorly constructed argument and a poorly written article. Speculation and conjecture abound with very weak evidence. I mean read the part about men and women and their respective grades, come on! In the end you push for equality which is the end goal but you provide little in the way of means to that end. I didn't expect much from a Nold article so I cannot say that I'm disappointed, but I am surprised he still writes.

QueryingKiwi

Dear Mr. Nold,

I am a female majoring in chemical engineering, a field that was comprised of nearly entirely men as recently as 50 years ago, and is still dominated by them. I've had to work hard to be successful in my classes so that when I graduate I can get support myself without having to depend on my parents or a husband. At the same time, I have been in the most wonderful well balanced relationship for over a year now. Deal with it.

Johnny

Look at what you did. you QUALIFIED how and why you got where you are. Do you think that men are just some buddy system of "oh hey, lets go smoke cigars and afterwards I'll hire you to synthesize a new drug."? It's really not like that, as you can tell from the fact that we have SUCCESSFUL production of science and medicines. They work hard too. In fact, in less 'important' areas, where being really on the ball with your work and knowing your field inside and out, the gender equality legislation ensures that if the choice is between two equally qualified men and women, and they have MORE men than women in the office, the woman will get the job to improve their company's appearance and not get any government penalties.

So one person gets a job, the other person gets shafted for being the wrong gender.

Im sure you think of that as very fair. Come back when you've graduated and gotten into your field of choice. If you don't I'm sure you'll blame it on sexism rather than the fact that spaces are limited and only the best of the best will ever achieve a spot.

psychstudent47

Women are now equal to men? From the beginning of the article, I can't grasp this argument. I agree with Keaton, and equality between men and women has not yet been achieved simply because of a difference in the workforce. Look at the pay rates between men and women for the same job. This article is ridiculous, although it is well-written, it's a weak argument and an insulting inference. As a male and a feminist, I think this author needs a little more research.

teacher_miss

I could go on about how the facts and statistics referenced in this article are poorly applied. I could also go on about how this kid has absolutely no credibility. But I will simply say this: misguided, chauvinistic tirades like this one are the very reason women will have to work extra hard to be equal to men (which we're not, despite what the author may have you believe). I bet he thinks racism is dead, too.

Kid

Honestly I think everyone is over-reacting. I'm 90% possitive this is a a satirical piece. I, of course, could be wrong. Seriously though, look at the way it's written, it definitely lends itself to satire more than to an actual opinion.

Kid

Honestly I think everyone is over-reacting. I'm 90% positive this is a satirical piece. I could be wrong but just look at the way it's written. It definitely lends itself to satire more than definitive opinion.

shinkokami08

I think if this was satire there would be 32 laughing people and 1 offended person, rather than the opposite.

boris

You should check out some of the previous junk he's "published". It's not satire.

shinkokami08

literally idiocy. I could edit every single sentence in this article. I wouldn't pursue a career in journalism if you're looking to be successful.

jmarieslagle
jmarieslagle

I suppose one could say that feminism has achieved its goals, if those goals include 1 in 3 women worldwide being raped or beaten in her lifetime, a woman earning significantly less money than a man with the same qualifications and position, or women still being expected to take on the majority of childcare and household duties even if she and her partner work the same amount of hours at a "real job." The argument in terms of differences between college attendance and degree between the sexes is an important one that needs looked at critically, but instead of looking at the construction of masculinity and the pillars of hegemonic masculinity, women are blamed for succeeding in an environment which was not created by or for them.This article is insulting, and completely ignores any differences by race, class, sexual orientation, or otherwise. The author's cis-gendered, white, heterosexual, male privilege definitely shows. And in the future, it may be best to avoid using a Fox "News" opinion piece as your source ;)

westopher
westopher

I was just about to comment, asking if I was the only one who was very bothered by the fact that the author is assuming every woman is straight. Well said!

Dixon

Are you a joke? I didn't think it was possible for someone to be so empty headed that they would conform so completely to a feminist caricature. But it has been my experience that you find the fringe lefties at the state schools since they don't get the moderation that comes from being required to logically support their views with facts.

funkathustra
funkathustra

Lemme put on my editor hat and help you out, as you've totally embarrassed yourself with this piece.

I'll go over your hollow, baseless claims in a moment, but there's a broader problem here: you have a short-sighted, sophomoric understanding of gender issues. As men, we will never fully understand the challenges that women go through, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't give it our best effort. What you've written is extremely offensive to the people who work every day to eliminate gender inequality.

Onto the editing:

Your first two grafs are identical. Start by deleting either of them.

Third graf:
"So, in an economy that relies on communication and thinking over physical strength, women are excelling, according to the Institutions and Development Database."
I have no idea what the "Institutions and Development Database" are, but if you're referring to the OECD Gender, Institutions and Development Database (GID-DB), the database states that although women make up 55% of the professional and technical workforce, women have an earned income ratio of 0.64. In other words, women are highly skilled and talented; we just don't pay them very much.
How does that support your point?


Fourth graf:
"Business-women have started to eclipse men in many companies for pay and position"
Yet women still earn 77 cents on the male dollar, and that drops to 68 cents for African American women and 58 cents for Latinas. (US Census, "Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2011", http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/p60-243.pdf)

Fifth graf:
"For the first time in 2010, women made up a majority of the workforce, and in 2011 women held 51.4 percent of all jobs in management or professional positions, while holding 46.6 percent of all jobs in the labor force"
At the same time, the percentage of women seeking associate's degrees in STEM fields has actually DROPPED by 25% from 2008 to 2009, which has only increased the huge divide between the number of women getting degrees in STEM fields and the number of men. (US Deparmtnet of Commerce, "Women in STEM: A Gender Gap to Innovation", available here: http://www.esa.doc.gov/sites/default/files/reports/documents/womeninstemagaptoinnovation8311.pdf)

Need I go on?

shinkokami08

I also think one of the biggest flaws is that is completely America-centric. There are other countries in the world with the same disparities that existed in America 60 years ago or more.

Johnny

"as women, they will never understand the challenges men face".

See where that kind of talk gets us?

funkathustra
funkathustra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJtMNSZ5ZfY

boris

"What you just said is on of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard."
"Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
HA! Classic.[beam]

zapfizzle

Dear DN- please employ a copy editor. You are trolling too many people at once!

Kitty
Kitty

I hope your dick shrivels up and falls off.

If you even have one.

Dixon

Something tells me cat pictures will be an important part of your life for a very long time.

Luke Miller
Luke Miller

A few things:
1. You aren't really talking about feminism here. You are talking about dysfunctional relationships. Just because a woman will now call you on your BS, doesn't mean you're any less full of it than you would have been 50 years ago. (This also means that women will, from time to time, spout their own BS. You're allowed to call them on that too.)
2. Don't pull that "feminism is antithetical to holding the door for a woman" card. My wife is a feminist. She enjoys when I get the door for her. Some women don't enjoy that. It's a personal preference.
3. Really an offshoot of number two - every woman is an individual person, which is something else you seem to be failing to grasp. Lumping them all together as either "feminist/evil" and "not feminist/one-of-the-good-ones" is probably a HUGE factor in (if I'm reading between the lines correctly) your inability to find and maintain a successful, healthy relationship. If you actually make an effort to get to know them as such, rather than as cookie-cutter puzzle pieces to fill the voids in your life, I'm sure your courting efforts will go more smoothly.
4. You are not Don Draper. You will never be Don Draper. Even if this was 1960's Manhattan, and not 2010's Lincoln, you would never have been Don Draper. You are, at best, Pete Campbell. (Truthfully, you shouldn't WANT to be either one, but you seem to long for the glory days of the white male, so in an honest effort to help you, at least shoot for a season one Harry Crane.)

tc

How does it feel being a beta male?

AntiFat

It is difficult for him to feel the sting after his rams him with her strap-on.

Dixon

haha. Maybe if they guy stays a sniveling feminist for another decade, he might actually get to see a real vagina.

wittenkitten
wittenkitten

Are you serious? I have never heard any feminist refer to men as "evil."

But, since you're so convinced that women have no where to go, that we're all equal, did you know that women still make 70 cents to every dollar that a man makes?

Men with the equal amount of education as women still make more money. Say they both have a bachelor's degree and a similar resume; it's statistical that the man will make THOUSANDS more than the woman. Same job. Same education. Same experience. How is that remotely equal?

If we're equal, then why does is our congress only 20% women? Why have we never had a woman president? Vice president?

If there's no room for feminism to grow, why are only 4% of CEO's women?

I don't feel remotely bad for women "hurting men's egos." I have no clue what you mean by "pushing" men off the platform. Women are still working to get onto the platform!

This article is pure bs. If it is indeed satire, you need to make it more obvious.

meglanker
meglanker

I never thought about my life and relationships like this, what with my feeble woman brain and all. Silly me! I must go find my fainting couch because I do believe I have the vapors.

Congrats on making Jezebel, broservative. http://bit.ly/YrR3uP

gavbo101

You have a fainting couch?!

alsatian

I think this article makes a lot of good points. According to your arguement, since feminism makes heterosexual relationships "unequal," the only relationships that will ever work out are same-sex relationships, since they're the only ones that are based on "true equality."
Oh wait, you apparently think that every single woman needs a man no matter what. PROTIP: Before you make sweeping proclamations about culture and civilization, stop for a bout 5 seconds and think about how every single person is NOT white, heterosexual, or even cisgendered. Nice try but if you're a senior English major, you still got a lot of research left to do, lil' buddy. Good luck.

Johnny

Good luck with that. Female with Female gay relationships have Twice the breakup rates of Male with Male relationships. There is a gender problem here, just not the one you think.

peepeepants

lol @ Nebraska. Y'all are dumb there!

AntiFat

You're the one who made an account to post this comment.

TFP

OOOOooooooooooooh snap

TFP

You're sort of proving the above point...

LizEgee

You've never been in a real relationship with a woman at all, have you? And, based on this, you never will. Did you get all your ideas from watching TV?

AntiFat

That would seem to be a good place to get ideas from since young women try to emulate what they view so much...

valerie23

Anyone who ever says to me that there is no longer a "need for feminism" is CLEARLY ignorant about feminism and women's issues. That is a ridiculous misconception and believing that women and men are now equal is denying the obvious truth; women have always been and still are oppressed in many ways; economically, sexually, socially. And not just in America, but all over the world. And the whole point of this article, that feminism hurts relationships, is barf-worthy.

Also, any time you are a part of a privileged group you should first listen to those of the oppressed group because YOU HAVE NO IDEA how it feels, and to try to form an argument about feminism is disgusting and conceited.

Dixon

What drivel. You didn't even make a coherent comment. Are you a student? Vomiting up a bunch of unsupported assertions and claims of victimhood and hurt feelings proves nothing. You sound like a child so you shouldn't be surprised if you are treated like one.

valerie23

My point is that this guy clearly has no idea about feminism because he seems to think that men and women are now equal and that feminism has done its job. He needs to go educate himself about women's issues before he begins writing ridiculous articles about how supporting women's issues is making it harder to have relationships, especially if he's beginning those articles by saying that feminism has done its job. He's either ignorant or in denial. And I'm also saying that everyone needs to acknowledge their privileges because you don't understand personally what people that do not have your privileges experience. As a white male college student, he needs to take a step back and listen and learn before he starts making claims against feminism.

jmarieslagle
jmarieslagle

Thank you for making all Nebraskans look like archaic misogynists. New article on Jezebel (look it up Zach, it's ok that you've never heard of it, since it's not written by Suzanne Venker) Nebraska College Kid Says Feminism 'Achieved Its Goals' So Women Should Shut the F%$@ Up Now

http://jezebel.com/5986326/nebraska-college-kid-says-feminism-achieved-its-goals-so-women-should-shut-the-fuck-up-now?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

AntiFat

Is standing up for what you believe against misandrous women misogynistic?

robohunn
robohunn

Fascinating analysis...I would LOVE to hear more about what YOU think about feminism...
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not really. It was actually pretty thoughtless and extraordinarily problematic. I hope you don't mind NEVER having a career in public life...cos people like you might be able to get away with this patriarchal nonsense in 2013 but in another 20 years your little rich-white-hetero-cisman schtick is gonna be REAL OLD. Your special club that has insulated you from any real-world pain or experience that might make you a mildly tolerable social animal is shrinking and you just might be the last dummy standing. And we will never. forget. that. you. wrote. this. bullshit. Enjoy obscurity, jerk.

P.S. I LOVE this comment from Jezebel:
“Is there anyone more naturally attuned to the nuances of America’s struggle for social justice than white male heterosexual college students from Nebraska named Zach?”

huskerTX

"However, an overreaching has begun to happen through feminism whether or not they realize it."

I like the generic "they" in the final sentence of the first paragraph. Does this pronoun even have a proper antecedent? Seriously... read the first paragraph. Is it supposed to refer to "women" from the first sentence or is it supposed to refer to feminists in general? I just thought it was a little vague. Haha... "THEY." Damn those feminists. (Sarcasm!)

Inkmouth

Ok, DN. Time to admit you let this guy publish material just to garner pageviews. It's also time to fire this guy. It's also time for you to stop referring to him as an English major, because no one I know who has graduated from our department could possibly feel such vile things about women.

We've heard Nold's opinion, and now you have ours. Fire this monster.

huskerTX

Thank the gods he isn't from CoJMC

tc

FIRE ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH MY OPINION WAAAH

AntiFat

Ahh yes, censor those I don't agree with. They are not worthy of pages my eyes lay upon.

keeblo04

I love when men are openly sexist and then claim sexism is over.

Seriously, this is satire right?

Genevieve

Love love love!!

Subversiva
Subversiva

Dude, when you say, "Feminism has met its goals and women are now equal with men as they should be". What are you talking about?

Do women and men get paid equally for doing the same work? Or do women make only 75 cents for every $1.00 a man makes? Can you find those stats?

And if both sexes are now equal why does it still seem like The United States Senate and House of Representatives are almost all men? Can you look into that?

Finally, wasn't Reproductive Freedom a goal of the Feminist Movement? Are my rights to Birth Control and access to Abortion set in stone? Really? Maybe you should do a little more research?[sad]

AntiFat

Can you look into how many women ran for Senate and House of Rep seats?

While improvements can probably always be made please tell me the last time you were denied birth control?

haliehovenga
haliehovenga

Honestly, Zach, it sounds like you may have some esteem issues to work on, and if you get a hold of yourself, I'm sure you'll find the homeostasis you're looking for with your female friends. I'd like to point out some facts you've left out of your rant about women, and I hope you hear me out and consider taking a women's studies or gender-related course offered by your English department.

Since you're missing some info, I'll take a short moment to fill in some blanks. Any gains that women have made continue to be overshadowed by the reproductive, economic, and legal power men hold. Women continue to be far underrepresented in government and are taxed without representation. Women are victims of their own reproductive system, a fact which is obvious by the way in which the GOP holds them hostage to easy access to birth control, and women continue to be victimized by sexual assault, rape, and battery in far greater numbers and in far greater levels of physical injury than men. Finally, in a country in which educators, legislators, and media are being accused of "dumbing down" the populace, should we really complain that women are finally getting an education after centuries of being told we were too stupid or frail for it?

Zach, it's obvious that you're intelligent, and I'm sure you'll get a lot of energetic feedback from this essay, but I'm confident that if you take a look at the facts of women's situation, that we largely represent poverty for example, you'll come to realize that women need your support as an ally rather than as a trouble maker.

AntiFat

If you're unhappy with the GOP why don't you rally your female majority and change some of it?

You're saying that more women than men victims of violent crime/sex crime is an example that women aren't equal with men? Wow.

I don't think anyone complained that women are getting an education.

mborgard
mborgard

"Feminism has met its goals! Women are equal to men in every way!"

On the same day that Indiana floats a law that would require woman to be raped twice to get a legal medical procedure.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/indiana-republicans-advance-transvaginal-ultrasound-bill.php

Lola

I would be slumming if I were equal to spoiled, entitled boys who blame women for every upset they receive in life.

AntiFat

Although I am against that law, it has little to do with the equality the author was writing about.

tc

So many angry feminazis. Good work bro.

Here's another article on how misandry is prevalent in our society:

http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

Lola

Save the derogatory terms for the women in your family, dude, since you seem to despise and hate them so much.

Oh, and it's beyond low to refer to anyone as a "nazi" just because you are undereducated, bitter, and insecure. Beyond repulsive, but I guess you have never studied history.

Oh, and nazis were anti-feminist. Time to grow up, boy.

AntiFat

Why don't you educate yourself to the actual meaning of the term "feminazi"?

karley

Boom! I thought there was no "sexism" allowed here...

"Feminism has met its goals and women are now equal with men as they should be. "

As they SHOULD be?

I won't go past the first sentence with my critique.
You haven't done your homework. That is all.
[sad]

shutterbug

Oh, dear lord. Is this boy actually set to graduate with a degree? [sad]

chanayael
chanayael

Zach obviously just got dumped.

Genevieve

There are 20 female CEOs at Fortune 500 companies... 20! Out of 500!!

And Suzanne Venker writes for Fox "News." Nuff said.

keeblo04

"I told women leggings make them look fat and now they won't date me. I HATE FEMINISM!!!!!111"

^ What he meant to say

PnV

Wow. Just wow. Maybe someday when you grow up, you'll learn what feminism actually is. Until then, keep writing op eds on leggings and ramble on about how much you judge women. Mkay?

AntiFat

Please inform us of what "feminism actually is."

Lolololo

The rules of conduct suggest "no racism or sexism." UM

(plus: http://i.imgur.com/z1sZKvH.png )

chadricdevin

First and foremost the title of this disaster should clearly state that it will address HETEROSEXUAL relationships. Excluding homosexuality from a conversation on the modernity of human relationships only further emphasizes the bigotry of this deluded and misinformed opinion article.

I suppose a young, white, (assuming) heterosexual, male from Nebraska is the best one to write on these issues, yes?

That was sarcasm (as I wish this article was). I really hope for your own personal growth and development that you take more courses related on social and cultural gender issues. Then you may avoid making so many broad and inaccurate statements.

Best!

CD

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Wow, you're an idiot. "Excluding homosexuality from a conversation on the modernity of human relationships only further emphasizes the bigotry"

He didn't talk about little people, must hate them. Didn't talk about possible space aliens, he hates non humans!

Doe

Hi there troll. Can I come s*ab you in your sleep? :)

gavbo101

Lol I'm a gay man and I actually agree with him.

Basically every person on this forum that disagrees with him says he's ignorant, biased, and attempts to demean him and insult him.

I wonder why that is...why can't they just be ok with him having a different opinion? Is it that maybe they have no argument? Is it because maybe they like to ignore facts?

The truth is that this guy wrote an article critiquing feminism's approach to gender. There's nothing immoral about that. He said he's not against women, he said he's for equal rights, then everybody piles on.

How convenient.

sarahfina
sarahfina

This kid clearly has a future at Fox news.....

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Wow, there sure are a lot of angry, sexist, feminists here.
Women do actually have it easier than men. That "pay gap"? Yeah, that's been disproven on multiple occasions. There are also many more women in university.

Also, to those who use the words "privileged", yeah, please leave the internet, you're too stupid for it.

Women can get as far as men if they try, instead of relying on handouts.


-a female who doesn't moan and complain and actually does something with her life

JMac
JMac

Do yourself a favor and actually look up information on pay gaps before simply stating that they don't exist. And by look up, I mean look at scholarly studies and articles instead of something you can read on wikipedia in 2 minutes. Let the dataset change your mindset.

smartasskatey

Conservative media has *tried* to disprove the pay gap, but other major news outlets, experts, the U.S. census, etc. all acknowledge its existence. Go to Google news and search "pay gap," see how few articles there are attempting to "disprove" it compared to those acknowledging it, bringing awareness and proposing potential solutions. Sometimes a small number of misguided feminists get up in arms about a problem that doesn't really exist, but this isn't one of those times. This is a real issue that exists. Wanting to be paid the same as a man with the same credentials and experience is not asking for "handouts."

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In reply to both of you: It's amazing how feminism has blinded you. What I see is women who work part time get paid less than men who work full time. Men who have more experience of course will get better pay and positions. Actually, women who have the exact same credentials as men tend to get paid MORE.


You both look at statistics and say "oh, well this just proves it!" instead of asking "why are the statistics like this? What are the circumstances? How did they get to this conclusion? etc". You shouldn't take these kinds of things at face value, dig a little. I implore both of you and those who think like you to do research, yes it can be time consuming but it's worth knowing the truth.

Doe

TROLOLOLOLOL!

Doe

You're wrong. If you don't believe in sexism then you better suck my d*** and make me a f****** sandwich right now!

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Confirmed for troll.

andasaurus
andasaurus

I hope he gets hired by a woman and that his boss reads this someday.
That is all.

lucystrawberry

Oh no. This is just...Oh No.
I feel sorry for you Zach. I don't think you meant to come across as an ignorant person but you are. Let's just unpack your article.

"This is because the job market is better suited for women, and the idea that men are more competitive than women has all but disappeared. Business-women have started to eclipse men in many companies for pay and position."

Ok. Zach, tell me, how many years have you actually SPENT working in the corporate world? I would love to hear about your experience in that. Oh wait. You are a senior in college. You have no experience in the job market or the business world. You actually have little to no first hand experience of what the day-in, day-out experience of trying to climb a career ladder is actually like.

"For the first time in 2010, women made up a majority of the workforce, and in 2011 women held 51.4 percent of all jobs in management or professional positions, while holding 46.6 percent of all jobs in the labor force. The argument that women simply can’t make it in today’s economy is a fallacy as the statistics show; it’s the women who are on top now and increasing their numbers as Fortune 500 CEOs in the past years."

You are just cherry picking the statistics that work for you, huh? Women are on top now? I don't understand how you can make that claim with a straight face when all the facts show otherwise. I am glad you mentioned the Fortune 500.
Here are some facts about the Fortune 500.
There are only 21 Female CEO's in the Fortune 500.
In 2011, women held only 16% of all board seats at Fortune 500 companies.
only 4 percent of the C.E.O.’s in Fortune’s top 1,000 companies are female.

At mid-cap firms, (companies with stock market capitalization of $1 billion to $7 billion) Women only made up 4.5% of top leadership.

Men have easier access to business loans and are often charged lower interest rates than women. Take a look:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f7b05de6-0abc-11e1-b9f6-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2LftfARZB

Your argument that women are more likely to get hired than men is patently false and has been proven time and time again, across a wide variety of fields.
Just take a look:
http://blogs.nature.com/naturejobs/2012/09/26/sexism-in-science-means-men-more-likely-to-get-hired

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/opinion/sunday/the-myth-of-male-decline.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

And all you have to do is take a look at the very really issue of the WAGE GAP to know that there is not equality and the Feminist movement is not done.


Let's look at Politics.
100 Senators---20 female senators
435 members--78 female Congresswoman
Out of the 100 largest cities in the US, only 9 have female mayors.
Out of 50 governors, only 5 are women.

And finally...Zach zach zach....I find it a little hard to take your treatise on relationships seriously. I mean, how old are you? 22? Why don't you get some actual experience before you start telling us about relationships and how men and women act in them?

You are hilarious. And you will be SO SAD one day that this is on the internet with your name attached to it.

AntiFat

Since when did we start measuring equality by the gender of the CEO's at fortune 500 companies? I suppose you're upset because there are more men in the NFL than women. Does that prove the lack of inequality in the USA?

TFP

Definitely! A career that requires massive upper body strength and enormous body size is exactly the same thing as something that purportedly requires only intelligence, educational qualifications, and work ethic! Good point!

TFP

BTW great example of an actual straw man argument!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

womanlover


Lol at all the single feminists out there crying about this article. The author's point is proven by all the comments he's receiving from feminists in disapproval. Why do any of you care what this guy has to say? My guess is that many of you think society is out to get you.

What kind of response would an article by a woman fighting for more women's privileges garner? It would be the same women responding, but in support. There wouldn't be near the same outcry from men. FYI men don't care about your self perceived battle. Men do care about women's rights though, because many think that equality is important. On that same token, gender roles are important. They help society function whether you like it or not. Sorry, but your bodies are programmed to care for children. You can either accept that or think of yourself as a victim.

In summary, quit criticizing the writer for having a different opinion that you. He makes a couple of valid points.

Feel free to call me a stupid chauvinistic man, because I'm still the one who's successful, and in a healthy relationship with a wonderful woman.

smartasskatey

Probably not for long, once she reads your comment! Or is she one of those stays-in-the-kitchen types?

womanlover

Feel free to insult me without addressing any of the points I made in my comment... Grow up please.

TFP

Please identify said "points." I am having trouble identifying them (i.e., distinguishing them from the conclusory "you can either accept it or not" drivel).

emma1345

"Feminism has met its goals and women are now equal with men as they should be. "
Then why are we still paid less? Are you saying we "shouldn't be" paid equally?

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Women get paid just the same as men for doing the same work.

Doe

No they don't. Go away.

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35

Yes they do, I'll stay.

gavbo101

How about you look up the gender pay gap yourself to see why he said that?

Look up why women make less. It's actually a hotly contested statistic because it has been misquoted and misused by feminists.

GreaterFool
GreaterFool

For an English major, the author sure doesn't have a very commanding grasp of grammar. Also, I have to wonder the kind of isolated bubble he exists in to neglect looking any further past his own premise to discover truth. There is a distinct difference between the downfall of male privilege (i.e. greater feminine equality) and the downfall of men overall.

Garby

Congrats Zach, all it took was two terribly written essays about how people that aren't you should act and now you are internet infamous.

http://jezebel.com/5986326/nebraska-college-kid-says-feminism-achieved-its-goals-so-women-should-shut-the-fuck-up-now

gavbo101

Actually, the Jezebel article will spread the word for him.

Shaming people doesn't really work if the person uses facts and states their opinion honestly.

TFP

How'd that work out for Akin?

arpowers

Nice thinking and articulation Zach! This is how a great career starts :)

slyghtlymoresass

Is this a troll? [sad]

genderwagegap

Please, please, please require that this gentleman take a sociology or gender studies class before graduating. The idea that feminism has "met its goals" is ludicrous. And in my opinion the only heterosexual relationships that feminism threatens are the ones where partners like Zack can't get past deeply held beliefs about gender roles.

Jenna21

I think the comments are proof enough that feminism has been utterly and completely hijacked by American lesbians who are dead-set on hating men in any shape, form, or fashion. He is entitled to his opinion, because that's what this is, an opinion piece. The fact you, the supposedly "civilized" women out there, would attack and defame him for an expressing an OPINION just because it runs contrary to your own is, by its own action, proving his point. Equality would be about listening to what he had to say, and then carrying on the conversation from there. Equality is not about "WELL YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE THIS JEZEBEL ARTICLE SAID SO!"

You people make me feel bad about being female and a REAL feminist.

Johnny

I really appreciate how all of the words they use to argue are insults, against his character, age, gender, sex, even his ethnicity! That's the basis of all their arguments instead of providing examples or making detailed constructive arguments of their own.

They have no substance to back them up, and just empty rhetoric.

smartasskatey

You're an undergrad, a baby; what could you possibly know about women, relationships and the workforce (not much, apparently!)? And yet you write about them at length, extrapolating from real statistics to some crap about C's and A's? Where are your statistics to back that up? Or did you just know some guys who are content with C's and a few women who wouldn't settle for less, and thought that was enough? It sounds like you just got dumped by a feminist and are holding some major resentment or something, seriously.

You think feminism isn't needed anymore? Well, let's take your workforce example, of course women make up more of the workforce because they are CHEAPER-- A woman gets paid 70%-77% (depending on your source) what a man is paid, on average! Were you aware of that? Did you just choose to omit it? Or did you only look up stats that proved your point? This is just one additional statistic that throws your entire argument on its ass.

Not only have you shown yourself to be too immature to understand real mature relationships and the modern workforce, you're clearly too immature to understand the true nature of this world. Have you ever had someone treat you as inferior because of your gender? Have you ever had someone cat call and harass you while you were walking groceries to your car, simply because you had breasts? I'm going to guess no. As long as there are still assholes out there who view and treat us like the "weaker sex," feminism will NEVER be over. Shame on you for suggesting that we're even close to where we need to be. Maybe in five or so years you'll realize what a total idiot you were to right this article.

P.S. I can't stop cracking up at the thought of all the comments from Jezebel that are going to come pouring in and all the inevitable backlash in general. Better get working on that retraction!

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I absolutely love the "paid less" straw man (no, that term isn't sexist before you start complaining). That lie is the basis of feminism today, and used constantly. Even though it's false.

I suggest doing a little research instead of following the crowd blindly.
Here is a little debate, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo.
"Pay gap" is actually illegal in the first world. Countless studies have disproven the "pay gap".

Doe

You're wrong. Too bad.

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Nice research there.

AntiFat

Brilliant example. I don't see how anyone could disagree now.

TFP

FOR ALL THAT IS HOLY-- THIS IS NOT WHAT "STRAW MAN ARGUMENT" MEANS.

smartasskatey

write*

Johnny

This whole "you're a baby" fallacy has to go. It might be true, but then there's people like Anita Sorkeesian who aren't any older, making a lot of outrageous claims about sexism and how getting killed in war doesnt matter, but rape does, and asking for massive donations to do a project on video game sexism, and then failing to actually make any result with such a project, basically scamming thousands of people out of 6 figures worth of money.

But is she right because she's saying what everyone is supposed to believe, that women are oppressed and sexually exploited?

Johnny

A man gets treated as inferior because of his gender all the time.

have no job? lazy slob.
have no girl? Your life is without meaning, you must be socially retarded.
have no expensive toys? You lack drive and ambition.

women:

have no job? Aw, you poor thing the job market will get better. Maybe a man will marry you. (I know girls that manipulate men with sex in order to have their house and not work, they aren't doing your angry "oppression!" cries any good).
have no man? You're a strong, independent woman, someday there'll be a man worthy enough to have you.
have no expensive toys? Husband, go buy me this.

TFP

Men are treated inferior than women.

Here are some examples I made up to prove my point.

Therefore, men are treated inferior than women.

Johnny

you think I made those up? You're delusional.

broncos2729
broncos2729

He views women as equals. Choosing to take words out of context and blowing up about them make you all look childish, like most liberatards its difficult to comprehend the fact that if you view each other as equal then their is equality. View each other as unequal and you have a great divide. Is it really a big deal that EVERYTHING isn't exactly equal as far as numbers are concerned? Work hard and do what it takes to get to where you wanna go if you are a man or woman, dont complain that its difficult because you think its the fact that you didnt have a equal opportunity.

Garby

It IS a big deal that women don't receive equal pay for equal work.

And don't accuse your opponents of being childish and then continue on in the sentence by calling them "liberatards" you moron.

broncos2729
broncos2729

liberatard is a real disorder...

gavbo101

Mr. Nold,

It's amazing the amount of hate you'll get for speaking up about things you see. The people who try to insult and demean you for bringing up facts and your opinion about those facts just show that they have no valid argument. They call you childish for publishing an opinion that goes against theirs. They call you bigoted for disagreeing with their slanted, gendered view of the world. They use phony logic and emotionalism to try and silence dissent and I'm glad you riled them up.

It just goes to show that sexism really does go both ways. You're ahead of your time, and in the next 10 years you'll see that these ladies and their male supporters are on the wrong side of history.

Keep on truckin'

Lolololo

lol oh he's ahead of his time all right LOL

awesomenebula

The problem that feminists have with this article is not that it is disagreeing with them; rather, it is that it is disagreeing without any proof of his points, without numbers or statistics or anything of the sort.
At least if any research or statistics were shown, a proper rebuttal can be made, but if you just go ahead and waltz down the aisle with a "GET OVER IT YOU STOOPID FEMINAZIS", someone's going to get just slightly pissed off. We could have all had a meaningful conversation about gender equality, the progress we have made, that progress that hasn't been made, the actual instances of "overreaching" in feminism. But when you write an article like Mr. Nold's that kind of convo can't occur.

P.S. You're misogyny is already on the wrong side of history.
P.P.S. There is a pointed difference between misandry, feminism, and simply wanting to punch that kid for throwing around baseless statements. [smile]

Manpoet
Manpoet

LOL 'The rolls have flipped'

Moron.

snarq_attaq

LOL! I think he is trying to say that with men doing housework, the toilet paper is now being installed with the free end going over instead of under, as God clearly intended. It is just unnatural that men should take on such a task, so naturally they screw it up, resulting in flipped rolls.

Give him credit, that's a lot of meaning and imagery to pack into four words.

JMac
JMac

Feminism: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/692/19789999.jpg

As long as there are people like you telling women they are only as valuable as how they look, and what they can spew forth into the world from their wombs, feminism will be needed. Feminism is not just about getting a job, and getting into college. It's about being treated equally. If I told you, because you are a male, that you are too skinny, you need muscles for me to look at or else you should wear different clothing so I can't see the outline of your really skinny body (and by all means don't wear leggings because then I would see how truly skinny your un-beautiful legs are) and only value you as a person after passing the test of if you have muscles or not, that would begin to compare to sexism that women are subjected to daily.

Stop writing articles about things you know absolutely nothing about.

DaneWilson
DaneWilson

Let's not divorce ourselves from the fact that this kid is an English major.

Let's just take a look at paragraph one:

"Feminism has met its goals and women are now equal with men as they should be."

I would've probably used a comma in there somewhere, maybe two. But you said to yourself, "Fuck my read; fuck this sentence; Zach is the man!" And you never looked back.

"We are truly beginning to see feminism change our economy, college campuses and relationships."

I know when you raised your hand in class and your professor reluctantly called on you, that he said it was okay to voice your opinion honestly. But what he meant to say was voice your opinion honesty along with a little empirical research.

"However, an overreaching has begun to happen through feminism whether or not they realize it."

Who is 'they'? I mean, I assume you meant for it to be women. But if there was a noun that word would've taken the place of it would've been feminism--which you use twelve times times.


I mean, it's great that you have opinions--even if they suck. But let's please clean up the English. That is, after all, what you've spent tens of thousands of dollars studying.

gavbo101

Lol

Most of the comments on here that disagree with him follow this "logic":

"You're sexist"
"No woman would want you"
"I hope you get fired"
"Grow up"
"You're not a real man"
"I hope your girlfriend dumps you"
"You're a baby"
"Get educated"
"I hope you get fired"
"You're an entitled bigot"
"I hope your $%^& falls off"

This says much more about the state of feminism than this guy ever could.

Garby

Please stop making our school look bad.

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Feminism makes itself look completely retarded every day, your point?

Doe

You are the worst troll ever. Go away.

Johnny

because it's about verbal attacks and ad hominems over reasoned debate.

TFP

I don't think "verbal" means what you think it means.

Johnny

a : of, relating to, or consisting of words . b : of, relating to, or involving words rather than meaning or substance

as opposed to physical attacks.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Johnny

Aggressor laws require the man be taken to jail, even if he calls for abuse from his female companion.
Women initiate 70% of divorces.
Men have no say in abortion, because abortion is a lifestyle choice for those who want to keep their independence, or to stay at home and have child support.
Males who even initiate a relationship with a much younger female get ostracized and condemned as terrible people. A recent california educator was harassed to death despite his 18 year old girlfriend being completely legal. Any younger, and of course there's 8-20 years minimum.
A boy who was "statutory raped" at 13 by an older woman was forced to pay child support when it turned out the woman was pregnant. She received a suspended sentence, which means probation, for committing a sexual crime against what is legally known as A CHILD.

http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/11/39783/
"Amy Gail Lilley, 36: Inverness, Fla., woman and softball coach at Lecanto High School charged with a lesbian relationship with a 15-year-old girl. She received no prison time, being sentenced in January 2006 to two years of house arrest and eight more years of probation."

Theres many more just like that in there. Notice how noone talks about it, and if it does make news, she was just "a slave to her emotions"?

legal equality, indeed.

Women work less, and work in less dangerous jobs, yet receive equal income "accounting for the type of work" as their male peers.

well, at least economic equality is there.

A Woman started a women's battering shelter system, and discovered that almost 50% of those who were battered were also "equal abusers", that is, those who batter their husbands as well as receive.

Males who tried to find battering shelters were turned away, and the woman who started it all was threatened and had her dog killed for suggesting that men also have shelters from women who commit acts of violence.

On to the "politics and science" area. How many of you females in here, who hate this article with such passion, went into scientific and political fields? If women are underrepresented in those fields, why have you not gone into those fields yourselves?

Why are the majority of students on college campuses now female?

Why is it that 20% of polled females admitted to trying to rape a guy, and 12% of those admitted to trying to use poisons or intoxicants (alcohol, rape drug).

Why is it that if a woman lies about being on birth control, or pokes a hole in the condom with a needle, she can get child support for lying, but gets no jail time for tricking a male into giving her money at the gunpoint of law?

Just some questions for the serious people here.

Johnny

the pro-feminists in here have responded to only lifestyle or "sexism of the past" posts of my own, while ignoring the post which shows the real state of equality of men vs women.

Point is proven.

awesomenebula

You need to understand that feminism is NOT all "YOU GO GRRRRLLL!!!" and is more "BOTH genders need to be treated equally." You're first few points actually are astute observations that I agree with (in the sense that a women who technically commits statutory rape is not punished as much as she should be, which is wrong from anyone's point of view). Its late, and I don't have time to go through every single one of your observations, but I should let you know that me as well as many other feminists regard the injustice done to men, and in many cases, this is due to traditional gender roles and stereotypes being forced on both sexes, which feminism inherently disagrees with.
However, the one point which I find fault in is the point that women do not go into political and scientific fields, or choose not to. The fact remains that women are not brought up in a way that encourages them to pursue these types of careers. Before you get all "OMFG ITS CALLED FREE WILL YOU GUYZZZZ", I should let you know that if you go into a girls aisle of a toy store, you see barbies and make up kits and princess dresses. If you go to the boy's aisle, besides the usual action figures and costumes, you see "MAD Science" kits and Magnetics, and other such toys that encourage these types of interests. In addition please take a look at this article, talking about a study done about how there is a bias against female scientists:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/science/bias-persists-against-women-of-science-a-study-says.html?_r=0

It is instances of bias like the ones shown in the study that make women want to stay away from STEM fields. Women must go through the hardship of proving that their genital don't affect their intellect before proving themselves as scientists. If that isn't unfair (double negative, sorry), I don't know what is.

skitzo40219
skitzo40219

I must say that you have an interesting perspective. You also do not know what you are writing about. In simpler words, you are an idiot. Ask your grandmother if she ever worked out side of her home and how she feels about your article and belief system.

Johnny

working around the house cleaning with objects of very low weight is totally oppressive compared to when only the man worked to support this woman, shoveling coal in a deadly dangerous and physically demanding job.

yeah.

lil

wow, really? some women wanted to work, either to contribute equally or to earn her own money to be more independent and not so reliant on a man. would you rather that all the women just sat at home with their feather dusters all day? i would think THAT would be something to be snarky about.

Johnny

obviously not. Not when I have to contend with the possibility that she may be a self righteous and irresponsible adult who will blame me for all the ills of the world because I have a penis. I'd have to require her to bring something to the table other than a vagina, if that were the case. She certainly isn't bringing a loving personality into it.

Or I could not deal with it all and let the parasitic women who DO still want to rely on a man paying for their housing and lifestyle while contributing nothing go homeless until they decide to grow up.

Doe

So you're sexist too eh? Cool. If you could just stop that that would be greeeaaat. Mmkay?

Johnny

I'm willing to wait while you try to explain that showing the reality of who's life was harsher and more dangerous proves I'm sexist.

TFP

OMG it's almost like "more oppressive" doesn't LITERALLY translate to "lifting heavier things"

Johnny

lifting heavy things and dying at high rates is "a privilege", while lording oppression over women who live longer, even disregarding the rate at which men die in employ accidents.

Tell us more.

35
35

You're the idiot, of course there have was a lot of sexism in the past. We're talking about today.

Doe

Oh because sexism is a thing of the past? You're the weakest link! GOODBYE!

35
35

I'm pretty sure you're a troll, but I'm bored so I'll respond anyway. I was pointing out the illogical comment of the OP, of course things were worse 40+ years ago.

KrS1322

There is so much I want to say. But for brevity's sake, I will only say this:

You undermine your thesis when you state that "the grade difference may come from women wanting to prove themselves in a "men's" world". Though you have quotation marks around "men's" world, you are acknowledging that whether you agree with it or not, there is a perception that there are spaces within the world (workforce, school, home, ext.) that are reserved for either men or women. Part of feminism's goal is to eliminate that very binary way o viewing the world. If there are separate spaces for men and women, as you suggest (again, maybe you don't agree with it, but you acknowledge that some-including some women-see the world that way) then equality has not been reached. Thus, what appears to be your thesis, which you repeat at the beginning of the first AND second paragraphs (that feminism has reached its goals) is completely undermined. You yourself admit that the goal hasn't been reached.


This, paired with your inability to clearly and succinctly express your thoughts despite being a fourth year English major, leads your audience to question the foundations and validity of your argument. The way in which you express yourself in your attempt to join an ongoing conversation surrounding feminism (for which I admire. This is a conversation that, as you so aptly demonstrate, NEEDS to continue) leaves a large portion of your audience feeling alienated, something you should try to avoid whenever possible. These feelings of alienation, as expressed by reader's comments, seriously draw into question your credibility as a writer in any field--journalistic or not.

Johnny

we should also eliminate other sources of "binaryism". Left and right are dividing terms and should never be used. They imply that one direction is different from another, and as such it is shameful. So too for up and down. One and One shouldn't always equal two, because that is saying that one and one will always be different from one and three.

Life is systems of binary. Genes On or Off. Life or Death. Left or Right. Get over it.

TFP

Conclusory statement. Misunderstanding about biology. Non-analogous oversimplifications. Therefore, get over it.

You're the best.

snarq_attaq

“Feminism didn’t result in equality between the sexes – it resulted in mass confusion.”

Darling, it is very simple: if women are feminists, there must be something in it for them. And here's a shocker: a lot of dudes are feminists, too. A lot of the feminist dudes are, in fact, getting laid by (and even married to!) the feminist ladies. Trying to talk women out of their feminism is not going to get you far, so you can either satisfy yourself with the submissive, low self-esteem type who enjoys being told how she should feel about things and what kind of legwear will make her respectable, or you can try BEING a feminist.

This will be hard for you at first, since you will have to acknowledge that the you who wrote this piece is an enormous douche and an embarrassment to the Y chromosome. But if you can handle listening to women, respecting women, and doing some of your own housework, you will learn that being a feminist is actually pretty awesome. Feminist dudes--meaning dudes who walk the equality walk, see women as their equals, are interested in what women think, and acknowledge that women are actually the best authority on the lived experience of being a woman--are 100% more likely to have meaningful interactions with women than, for example, you.

Does this make me an "angry feminist"? Honestly, your article was too stupid to make me angry. Things that make me angry are rape, gender-based violence, the glass ceiling, the underrepresentation of women in politics (and having to listen to powerful men run their mouth-holes about birth control, abortion, and rape), poverty, racism, and the like. If you're not angry about those things, you're an a**hole. But most of us "feminazis" do not spend our time sitting around hating on men. We just live our lives and do what we can to make life a little better for ourselves and everyone around us. When we are angry, we have good reasons to be, and you should listen to them.

Also, since you think it's appropriate to tell women how to dress, a little advice: try to gain some weight, and grow a beard.

Johnny

Id find it to be low self esteem to be a supplicating and servile yes man to a princess mentality. Not only does noone respect such a guy (women cheat on him with the "bad boys"), but he eventually loses out in the end anyway, due to divorce and alimony and all those other things.

"I married you and had sex with you, therefore I'm entitled to half your stuff despite having equal right, ability, and pay for work".

If nothing else, that equation shows that what men are paying for is vaginal access. If two people are bringing equal shares of work, money, and 'love' to the table, but one has to pay the other on dissolving a marriage, what is that "extra thing" he's paying for?

snarq_attaq

Not sure how it works in Nebraska, but in most states, whoever earns more is the one paying the alimony upon divorce (I am a lawyer who happens to be a woman and I make more than my husband--though not by a lot--so in my case, guess how it would work out?). The fact that it's usually the husband has to do with that wage gap that is so hotly debated.

You are totally right on the other stuff. Avoid supplicating and servile. Women REALLY love jerks who just scratch their balls all day and fart and throw their beer cans on the floor. Who insult them, beat them, rape them...THAT'S a recipe for a long and happy marriage...you sound like a real catch.

Johnny

Your issue is that you're making a caricature of the least healthy relationship, and then implying that would be me. Again, an ad hominem, and a pretty pitiful one.

You don't actually know how many times I've been screwed trying to be open, empathetic, and reasonable with ex-gfs. On the other hand, the guys who get the most women are the ones who are the assholes. They get one night stands if they want, not in a mutual fun type of way, but as a mutual exploitation, or a longterm gf that will stay with him forever.

It's not my fault that women themselves crave dysfunctional relationships, while avoiding and condemning guys who try to be the kind of guy all feminists say they want. I stopped being nice when I found out it doesn't work. I don't go out of my way to be mean either, I just will call you on any bullshit, regardless of sex, and won't be leveraged by the promise of a relationship or a vagina anymore. I'm willing to treat any male or female with due respect that they've earned, and granting any woman their wish: total equality via responsibility for actions.

Christineopher

Everyone who disagrees with you is a misogynistic and abusive rapist? I never knew.

Thank the Goddess we have feminism, to fight the oppression from these evil (straw)men.

AMS
AMS

OMG what a total nice guy.

Johnny

he'll actually get laid more for standing up and disagreeing with women than for going along trying not to make waves and being a "nice guy". Nice guys get shit on for behaving "falsely", and treated like scum. Acting with a modicum of human decency and general niceness is only for "those entitled douchebags who just want to get laid, the worst people ever". FOr them, it's entitlement when a person who tries to do all the right things and treat others well whines about getting used for their wallet and having no gf or F-buddy to show for it. The translation of this is "It doesn't matter what you do, you will always be an awful person, and you can give and give to other people all you want, you'll never get anything in return by thinking that others owe you". Pure narcissism.

The reality is that men and boys everywhere need to stop trying to "win hearts" through deeds, and start calling them on their arrogant and egocentric behavior.

snarq_attaq

Yeah, stop trying to win hearts, just pop a roofie in the broad's drink and have your way with her. Or beat the crap out of her until she's too scared to resist.

You have some real anger towards women--please get therapy before you wind up in jail or old and lonely (older and lonelier?).

Johnny

Because not condoning their shitty princess behavior is akin to rape. I won't wind up in jail because I'm not a slave to my emotions. Stop assuming everyone is like you, and only using your own solipsistic magnifying glass. As for being old and lonely, it's preferable to the quality of partner choice in today's gene pool.

Of course, the alternative is actually finding that needle in a haystack woman who is as mature and well rounded as GirlWritesWhat.

I appreciate that while a male can state that women need to be held accountable for their behavior and not have her every whim catered is considered an angry person in need of therapy, women who state that males are dysfunctional, weak, and should be controlled and eventually put to death are considered Feminist legends with absolutely nothing wrong with them.

You know the person that wrote the SCUM manifesto cut her husbands dick off, and that same person is regarded as a feminist hero by self ascribed feminists? Is that really who you want to side with?

Christineopher

Time to count feminist shaming tactics. Everyone got your scorecards? First off we have two sentences devoted to an extended charge of endangerment. Really drawing that baseless accusation out.

But the next sentence contains the charge of misogyny in the first half, followed by the charge of instability. The last few words are a charge of unattractivness cunningly blended with the threat of withheld affection.

That's five samples of unsubstantiated libel and calumny! According to the rules of feminist bingo, that's enough to win the argument and stifle debate without ever actually addressing anything the opposition says. That's it for tonight, folks; thanks for playing!

aed1992

Unfortunately, as a male, you have no right to judge the status of the "plight of the female" because there is no way for you to ever comprehend what it's like to BE a female. Straight, white men are privileged in a way they'll never understand, and because of that you will never have the ability to comment at ALL on the state of the equality of women. It is not your place to decide that we're equal.

Johnny

Unfortunately, as a female, you have no right to judge the status of "the plight of the average male". because there is no way for you to ever comprehend what its like to BE a male. Females are privileged in a way I'll neer understand, and because of that, you will never have the ability to comment at ALL on the state of the equality of men. It is not your place to decide whether we're equal or unequal.

Cleared up a bit of your racism and sexual orientation bigotry, and such.

35
35

That's some logic there. Because someone isn't like someone else, they shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions or criticisms? Then feminists shouldn't be allowed to talk because not every female is a complaining, useless person.

Yes, straight white men CAN be privileged in ways. But so can everyone else, in plenty African places it's dangerous to be a white male for example.

Oh and by the way, women are far more privileged than men. :)

ldinn

you have got to be kidding. ignorance at its finest.

Doe

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "HEY guize! Im an MRA from 4chan. WOMANZ r tking awy MY RITES!!!! >:( "

Johnny

Women can only take away a man's right's if he chooses to have sex with her, and something happens.

Otherwise, women can't take away men's rights, provided they are educated enough to avoid being entrapped by unscrupulous women (which at last count on this blog is all of them).

Christineopher

I seem to recall that when the original feminists were fighting for women's suffrage, they were dismissed with the same kind of ad hominems. "Harry chested lesbians", and the like. We now look back on the people who did that as thoughtless bigots.

I wonder how comments like yours will be viewed a few decades down the ling.

Stefanie

There are so many things I want to say, but in case you haven't seen it, this national blog did it better than I can:

http://jezebel.com/5986326/nebraska-college-kid-says-feminism-achieved-its-goals-so-women-should-shut-the-fuck-up-now

Good job on getting national notoriety from your piece. Bad job on making the whole country realize how ignorant you are about the feminist movement, past and present.

Johnny

I'm willing to bet you couldnt name ANY of the financial backers of the women's movements, nor who actually started them (in what economic bracket and sex), and why.

GGill

I was going to comment on how misinformed you are about this topic (for example, claiming women are now equal to men despite easily available statistics that show women still make 70-some cents on the dollar for doing the exact same job as a man). Then I read a few of your previous columns and I see that you are remarkably uninformed about most of the topics you write about. How to even address a problem like that?

35
35

That 70 cents to a dollar thing is a fallacy And has been disproven multiple times . Please do some actual research instead of spewing out untrue "facts" like that.

Thanks
-those of us who work hard to get our money instead of complaining

Doe

Man, you're just one wrong butthurt bronie!

35
35

Not a bronie, just a cute picture. I'm also not angry, just slightly annoyed that stupid people are using an idiotic and untrue "facts" to support their agenda. ie the supposed wage gap.

juliadidier
juliadidier

This article itself violates the rules of conduct, as it is truly sexist. The DN should not allow you to write sexist articles and just slap the big "opinion" label on them. Also, please edit your article. It's hard to try to make your point, and all of these proclamations, when you seem uneducated. Don't rely on your editors to fix your articles.

Feminism is a transnational movement. Feminist issues and movements vary in topic according to race, religion, ethnicity, culture, gender, sexuality, country, income level, etc. Not all feminists are white, American, heterosexual, Christian, monogamous, or cisgendered. Feminists are not necessarily women.

It's interesting you think all heterosexual relationships must operate the same in order to be successful, or valid. And these "modern" relationships you're referring to, shouldn't heterosexual men be able to handle their "ball-busting-career-driven" girlfriends if the relationship is so modern? Perhaps you should have interviewed heterosexual couples to educate yourself and/or make your points valid. Also, not all heterosexuals are monogamous. No one cares that you have an issue with promiscuity.

You're correct in saying some men are no longer striving for success, and though you claim you're not blaming women for this problem, you clearly are! Who are you to criticize the small progress women have made in U.S. society and the increase of percentages in management positions? Would you be more comfortable if women were more oppressed just so men could have higher percentages? Are percentages what this really all comes down to? Do people still let you win in playing tic-tac-toe just so you won't throw a fit?

Why do you assume women's success is based on women trying to prove themselves in a "man's" world? For the record, I learned from BOTH of my parents that I'm capable enough to do everything for myself, and that I should never feel pressure to be in a relationship for any reason. I didn't gather around a fire with my fellow “man-haters” to determine that I'm intelligent and independent.

Why should I, a heterosexual woman, have to choose between a successful relationship and a successful career? Why should I feel like I'm taking a man's career position if I'm just as qualified, if not more? Before I accept a position at a major corporation, should I ask if there are any men up for the job as well, just so that I'm not stepping on any man's toes? If you had a daughter, would you tell her to hesitate to take a career position if there were men up for the job as well?

It's clear you are not for gender equality in any form; so don't pretend that you're not blaming women for the downfall of U.S. society. You are a true misogynist. Feminist women don't hate men; they hate men and women like YOU!

Enjoy your privileges as a heterosexual Caucasian male living in the United States, though your privileges are invisible to you and ignorant people like you.

SO YOU CAN RUN AND TELL THAT! HOMEBOY!

Johnny

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19990820&id=sUIfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1M8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=5198,7691700

[quote]

Thomas said females who molest tend to be more emotionally disturbed, on the whole, than men molesters.

"I have not met one female sex offender who did not have severe emotional problems." Thomas said. "I have no met onewho just did it because it was fun or they were bored. Men are more inclined to behave that way". [/quote]

Women do terribly things, or fail at life, because they have emotional disturbances are not "Free agents" (a philosophy term), while men do terrible things because "it's fun or they're bored". Yep. Im bored right now. Gotta go molest some kids because that's what guys do when bored.

Get off your breadbox and realize that the whole society is endemic with this kind of logic. Women are escaping real equality daily by blaming it on mental illness or lack of emotional control, while men are held totally accountable, no matter what their state of mind is.

who's really fooling who here?

juliadidier
juliadidier

The statements I made have nothing to do with women's emotional capacities and disturbances. That's a completely different topic. I personally don't use my emotional behavior as an excuse for my actions nor will I ever justify my behavior with this kind of logic.

I'm not speaking for every woman, obviously, but it's important Nold understand that not all women are the same.

Johnny

Why should I, a heterosexual woman, have to choose between a successful relationship and a successful career? Why should I feel like I'm taking a man's career position if I'm just as qualified, if not more?

Because I, a heterosexual male must choose the same thing.
You think men don't realize that they're taking the career for themselves and condemning another guy who is qualified from getting it? Riddle me this: Why is the male employment rate 67%? 1 in 3 males don't have a job, but clearly, that's not good enough. it must be down to 50%, otherwise there's clearly sexism involved, right?

juliadidier
juliadidier

Johnny, though I appreciate and understand what you're saying, that wasn't the argument I was trying to make.

My point was that no one, male or female, should ever have to feel that they need to choose between a successful relationship and a successful career because of their gender. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to have both given our privileges of living in the United States, so I stand by my statement.

Johnny

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19990820&id=sUIfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1M8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=5198,7691700

nothing about how vile and rotten the perp of the crime is, unlike males.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505125_162-28246928/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/

normal pop media outlets even saying pay gap is a myth, despite so much pro feminist rhetoric claiming it's real? Say it ain't so.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Gender-Wage-Gap-Final-Report.pdf

Travis
Travis

'Proper punctua'tion is. A plot cooked up by feminazis in order, to emasculate men with their game of "gotcha grammar'. The most bold part of this, essay was Mr. Nold an English majors refusal to play by those. Rules, I'm following his lead.

The Comment Guy

I completely agree, extreme feminism that is seen growing everyday , as every extreme moving gets out of control sooner or later. Women are equal now with men. And with every passing day, they get more advantages and less disadvantages. While with men is the other way around. I didn't take time to see all the comments below, but i took a loot at the top 5-6 ones and all I saw in them was people hating this article. Throwing insults and so on not because the article is really offensive or wrong by what it said in it, but because they got angry. Or in internet terminology they are "butthurt" (no offense, we are in the internet so i'm using the internet terms).

t1122

I appreciate your effort in continuing the Nebraskan stereotype of white, backwoods, farm boy. Next time research your facts about being born a woman and living as a woman anywhere in the world. The fact is feminism has given women in developed countries an equal opportunity (ummm loosely) in living a life but apart from these developed countries, being born a woman is dangerous and oppressive. I am sure you have suffered, but being born a white Nebraskan male puts you at the bottom of the oppressed totem pole.

Johnny

reported for racism, sexism, and bigotry regarding a localized population.

jbrown
jbrown

I don't even know where to start with this garbage. What men and women are "supposed to do"?? This type of backward sterotypicall thinking forces people into stagnant roles with no room to grow. By this thinking a woman should be equal in the work force, but still know her role at home and have to make meals and do the cleaning at home to "know her role". This is crap. If you really are ok with each gender being equal then that also extends beyond the work and school force to the home front. Also, it appears that you are ok with men still wanting to have quick easy no strings attached relationships, but say women should not strive for this. What is good for the goose is good for the gander right? Or is it now that the shoe is on the other foot its not so glamorous to be on the other end of not being called back and finding out you were being used for a good time? This is sexist thinking and if you're ok with being equals then women can be just as casual or callous when it comes to personal relationships. You young man have a lot to learn about how to truly be on board with everyone being equals on ALL LEVELS.

Johnny

I'm quite certain you're a lot younger than Paul Elam.

anappleofdiscord

Yes. I, too, find relationships with spoons and other inanimate objects to be preferable to independent women.

arpowers

lol!

LatishaJ

As a strong independent womyn of color, I find this article to be horribly sexist. He is trying to take us down to a lower peg once again, MEN are the cause of all the problems the world has. We womyn need to keep fighting for the privileges that these men (especially WHITE MEN) have had for all these years. I'm sick and tired of them trying to regulate what I do with MY body. I will sleep with whomever I like and if I want to I'll abort MY baby. A man tried to tell me that I shouldn't abort my baby because he wanted to help me raise it, well I didn't want to deal with having a pregnancy and it's MY choice.
Even at work I experience sexism and racism exist, my WHITE coworker is always telling me to get back to work when I'm doing important personal stuffs that take only a few minutes. My WHITE manager attempted to fire me once, but I made it clear that if he did I'd sue him for racist termination. We womyn need to keep fighting for a fair and equal world, because no WHITE MAN is going to give it to us.

Johnny

oh god, the satire. It burns!!

Robin
Robin

I wonder if Mr. nod can tell me out of the fortune 500 how many are headed by women? I can tell him a whopping 20! How about stats on sexual assualt of women? Oh I have that too http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders. http://postcards.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/18/fortune-500-women-ceos-2/. If you want to be taken seriously you should maybe back your "opinion up with facts!

Johnny

Tell me, how many of you and your friends said "I want to be a CEO when I grow up"?

Is it now Women's own personal choices that are sexist against women, via men?

Robin
Robin

Also from the Department of Labor women's bureau. http://www.dol.gov/equalpay/

Johnny

so popular mainstream medias like MSNBC and ABC were lying when they posted that the pay gap is a myth?

lovelybones

When men have to start asking themselves "Should I choose a career or start a family?" then you can say we're "equal".

AntiFat

Why should have be the defining moment?

Johnny

Implying a man without a career gets a woman and a family.

Johnny

men without careers dont get families. your argument is a fallacy.

Johnny

I'd just like to point this out.

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/

not only do women have unrealistic expectations in male companions, they also have it in female companions.

http://jlrransom.wordpress.com/2010/11/23/will-i-ever-get-married/

[quote] I am in the lesbian scene. I have a ton of lesbian friends and I haven’t seen even ONE healthy lesbian couple. Sorry Ladies, I have yet to see the “perfect lesbian couple.” And if you think you are perfect, Wake Up, YOU ARE NOT!

So, my view of lesbian relationships is jaded, sad, and depressing….I don’t think there is much hope of finding real lesbian love.

Maybe I just require too much?!?!

1. I don’t want to date a woman that’s just NOT coming out of another relationship. Yes, it’s cool if she has been in other long-term relationships before dating me BUT there needs to be a SIGNIFICANT break between me and the other lover, I don’t want to deal with a rebound bitch that can’t be alone.

2. I don’t want a typical lesbian that’s into typical lesbian shit like Ellen, Indie Rock, and dressing bad. I want someone who is their own person. I also don’t want a poor bitch that doesn’t want to work for the “man” and/or a bitch that doesn’t have the drive to work and/or a bitch that just isn’t talented and set on making weird artsy shit that nobody understands or cares about now.

3. I just want a hot and sexy bitch. And lesbians are not hot and sexy – just bitchy. And if they are hot and sexy they like to date ONLY butch women OR…… the hot lesbian chicks that I would consider for a good fuck have fucking bad/asshole personalities! So, I think I’m fucked here!

4. I also want a successful bitch. I plan to make money one day. I am working towards my goal of creating my own television show! So, I want a woman along for the ride that isn’t shady, that is trustworthy, real, and also in production. I don’t want her trying to be a producer like me but maybe an editor, studio executive, actress, screenwriter, etc. Because I am so into my career, I need a woman that can add something to it!

And right now, I don’t know if I mind being single for the rest of my life. I’ll adopt some kids, focus on production (i.e. my career), have my friends, go on some dates, fuck lots of sexy straight girls….This Could be a good time and a very satisfying life. I was happy in my relationship but I still couldn’t get new pussy. I see my friends in relationships now – wanting to get new pussy but they can’t because they are trapped. New Pussy is nice and fun! New Pussy is tempting. There’s just something about a new hoe……

[/quote]

Now, considering all of this, and the fact that in spite of this bloggers behavior she routinely got girlfriends, What do you suppose the options are for a man below "georyge clooney" appearance, without a "career"? You're talking about one of the most socially condemned demographics, the straight male.

Do you seriously think if a man wrote that blog, any woman would want to date him? How many women say they want a man who has a good career, and knows where he's going in life, who "isn't a creep"? I enjoy reading this little tidbit on okcupid accounts all the time, since it really speaks volumes about women's mentalities. Men are only potentially good if they are perfect, otherwise their advances are unwanted and they are creepy.

I'm sure you can see how hypocritical your stance is, now.

3PsintheV

Come on homie! Respeck BISHES!

AntiFat

Before one more person in this entire comment section falsely claims that women only make approx 75 cents for every $1 men make please list the job, state and hours worked that this occurs in. Since there is such a large disparity there should be many examples.

You would have us believe that the girl at Subway in the union is making $6 while the man is making $8? You have no credibility. Try again.

cherreynolds
cherreynolds

Your Subway example isn't a good fit. However, once you start looking at skilled labor settings, female college grads are not bringing home the bacon their male counterparts are.
And here are the studies you requested.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/one-year-out-of-college-women-already-paid-less-than-men-report-finds/2012/10/23/ece71cb0-1d3a-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_story.html?hpid=z2

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/10/24/163536890/equal-pay-for-equal-work-not-even-college-helps-women

AntiFat

I did not ask for a study. Anything else you have to say will be discounted because you can not follow directions or fulfill a simple request.

Johnny

LOL. typical feminist logic. Let's ignore the facts of everyday jobs and only look at "skilled" jobs, wherein it takes a high degree of competence and aggressiveness to land such a job in the first place. Hint: Less women going into those fields = Less women paid for those jobs. Then disseminate a few angry feminists to skew these numbers into "women are paid less in high positions", and there we go. Your so called "stats" have magically appeared.

Akira

http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/womens-earnings-and-income

There's the real statistics.
And obviously in the same job, it would be totally illegal to pay somebody less based on their gender or whatever else.
That 75 cents number is probably just averaging things out.

AntiFat

Oh, oh, I see, you want to compare different jobs and then wonder why there are different amounts? You don't see any flaw in that logic? Do you see any illogic in that flaw?

AntiFat

Allow me to completely demolish your feminist pay argument

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2011/03/14/jobs-where-women-earn-more-than-men/

awesomenebula

Although I am a feminist, I agree that the wage gap argument is invalid because it does not always take into account the type of job that is being done. However, it is well acknowledged that sexism still exists. Take for example a study done very recently (as in 6 months ago recently) at Yale showing how female scientists are discriminated against by BOTH men and women. This shows how our society's deeply entrenched views of men and women are causing women to be biased against.

Also, by completely discounting feminism as a movement, what you have done is completely discounted the movement towards gender equality. This doesn't just mean "GRRRRL PWR!", it also means that men don't have to be super-duper masculine and never, ever, cry. Just so you know that.

What I mean is, feminism is NOT male vs. female; its male AND female, working together without the need for specific gender roles and stereotypes from keeping either from doing what they would like to do with their lives.

And most importantly (this is totally an assumption without any evidence to support it, so discount it if it is untrue), I take from your username that you believe feminists are unattractive fatties, right? You must believe that no attractive women is a feminist because they don't care about shaming men into loving them because they don't need to.

That is untrue. There is a difference between feminism (which is just a movement for gender equality and loss of gender stereotypes for men AND women) and misandry.

Feminists don't hate men. That would be hypocritical. We believe in equality for both genders, whatever that may entail.

The End

The article that was previously mentioned:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/science/bias-persists-against-women-of-science-a-study-says.html?_r=0

Hercules

Your view of feminism is quite different than that which the ladies in this comment section would have you believe is the real reason for feminism.

At least you understand numbers. [thumbup]

LiterateFeminist

I find it depressing that this writer is about to graduate with an English degree, yet writes "rolls" instead of "roles", and "verses" instead of "versus".

I won't even go into the flawed logic of how beginning to see a change means (to him) that feminism has met its goals. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

So sad to see such an inferior education flaunted so publicly.

joetheduk

As a guy, with two sisters, I find this incredibly insulting (to both genders).
but before I go into that...
"No longer do people need to be risk takers, strong and resilient to survive in the world"
~yes we do. we may not need to be "risk takers" for basic survival, but to be successful in business, and life in general, demands risk taking and innovation. to believe otherwise shows a tragic flaw in your logic.

now, your arguments against feminism...
" in 2010, women made up a majority of the workforce, and in 2011 women held 51.4 percent of all jobs in management or professional positions, while holding 46.6 percent of all jobs in the labor force"
~and yet, women make 78 cents to the dollar when compared to men.
"it’s the women who are on top now and increasing their numbers as Fortune 500 CEOs in the past years."
~women make up 4.2% of F-500 CEOs. thats a VERY small number.
"women earn 60 percent of all masters’ degrees, 42 percent of all MBAs and 60 percent of all bachelor’s degrees"
~and yet, as Ive stated, women make less money than men do.
" they (men) can slum it in college receiving C’s, while women would kill for an A"
~whoa. whatever your personal experience was/is in college, do NOT project it onto the rest of us. I say this as a male college student, who finds that statement incredibly insulting.
" relationships today are based on who can get the last word in, who can outdo the other, essentially who comes out on top"
~again, if this has been your experience, fine. learn from it and move on. but do NOT project it onto the rest of us. These are our college years. a lot of men and women are still trying to figure out what it means to be in a relationship. this is made harder by all those annoying exams we need to pass (unless your just "slumming it" to get a C).

has this country come a long way since suffrage? yes. are men and women equal yet? no, no, a thousand times no.

still dont beleive me? ok, how bout this...
~The US is the only developed country which hasnt seen a woman as the head of state (president, prime minister, etc...). Even India has had a female prime-minister.
~this congress has more women than any in our history, and yet women still make up less than 20% of congress. and the percentage of women who have served at the state and local levels is shockingly low.
~The, now-retiring, Pope Benedict reaffirmed the Catholic church's position that women cannot become ministers. and theyre not the only christian denomination that has that view. and there are still some fundamentalist christian sects who still treat women as second class citizens.
~Female authors are still pressured to use male pseudonyms to sell their books.
~the way women are portrayed in pop-culture is incredibly biased. either in how they're seen in print (when was the last time you walked into a store and DIDN'T see a half naked woman on the cover of a magazine) or in how they're portrayed in movies (action heroines in skimpy, revealing outfits, bitchy bosses, or insecure girls, desperately trying to get a guy). sure there are movies where a women has the lead role and doesn't fall into one of these stereotypes. but they're a very small minority. which is usually reserved for indie movie festivals.
~and all this while a women's right to control her own body is being attacked at every level of government....
sheeesh.

Johnny

enjoy your false statistics and clinging to lies.

Akira

[ohmy] I'm glad you people are statistically dying out.

Also on a side note, women should be able to where whatever they like.

I myself want guys to stop wearing a lot of different things, but it's not up to me to make that decision.


Get real man.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

You didn't read his article, I see.

I am aghast that you've taken the name of one of my favorite films ever to post your nonsense.

YoungLord

Keep hustling cuz

rainbowthug
rainbowthug

If you truly believe that this is what feminism is all about then you have been gravely misinformed. It is not feminism's fault that men have become complacent . That is their own fault, because true feminism would never encourage or support that. Plus there is more at stake then just jobs and relationships. What about domestic violence or pro-choice or birth control? These are still pressing issues that need to be address. As a gender/women studies major my favorite quote, and what I believe to be the true meaning of feminism, is "The thing is, its patriarchy that says men are stupid and monolithic and unchanging and incapable. It's patriarchy that says men have animalistic instincts and just can't stop themselves from harassing and assaulting. It's patriarchy that says men can only be attracted by certain qualities, can only have particular kinds of responses, can only experience the world in narrow ways. Feminism hold that men are capable of more-are more than that." (unknown)

Johnny

im glad you named yourself thug. It's fitting. Men are at fault for being complacent when Primary Aggressor clauses rule that even if a man calls the police on a woman committing domestic violence on him, HE is the one who will go to jail that night.

Totally complacency on men's part. But wait, if men do something about it, like discuss our social values and roles in things like this article, that complacency is now "misogyny" and "sexist", and the author must "have been dumped", and "will never get laid".

Look at the way you people are arguing. You're stating that vaginal access is important, because he must've been dumped, and he'll never get laid because he's "not a real man", and "doesnt know how to treat a woman". I'm glad you guys have objectified the vagina while arguing against him and pro-feminism. It speaks volumes.

Christineopher

Can't address the actual points in the article? Critique the grammar and call the author a misogynist. Feminist debate tactics at their finest.

AntiFat

http://www.d-intl.com/equal-rights-for-firemen-constitutes-a-public-hazard/#.USV9zL-Hvhc

JennaLothrop

Zach Nold,

In keeping with the rules of this forum as best I can, I just need to expel one thing from my innermost being.

You, sir, are a twit.

And I can see it now- your defenders will say, ' Look at that person resulting to name calling', and try to dismiss my opinion. I guess the way I look at it is this- If you're going to go out of your way to plaster the pages of my alma mater's newspaper with such uneducated crap, you deserve to be called out on your horribly flawed 'logic'. If you're going to try to be some 'super star journalist' with the intentions of delving deep into the fibers of social structure, 1) Get your damn facts straight before you open your mouth or put pen to paper. and 2) Try to use the degree you're earning and learn how to use proper grammar and sentence syntax.

Reading this article was not only painful to someone with a bachelor's degree that has at least a fifth grade level of composition skills- but painful to read knowing that someone (You, Mr. Nold) actually believes this psycho-babble bullsh*t you're spewing.

Do me a favor and tuck your tail between your legs, take your English diploma and your sorry excuse for a portfolio, and go somewhere.

AntiFat

You realize that name calling id different than calling someone out on "horribly flawed logic" right?

JennaLothrop

Yes. I believe he is a twit. BEACAUSE of his horribly flawed 'logic'.

Days of Broken Arrows

Translation: I have no intellectually-valid argument that can refute his points, so I'll just call him names. Like it's elementary school. Maybe we should say he has cooties too!!!!

JennaLothrop

According to my somewhat limited knowledge of elementary school abuse...I would assume that it's incorrect to assume that Zach has cooties. Don't you have to have some sort of physical contact with a female to acquire cooties? Ha. Good luck there, Right Hand Zach.

Hercules

Wow, she just keeps the laughs coming. What a gal. I suppose you also graduated from UNL... You've really matured. If this is the measure of Zach's detractors, which it appears to mostly be, it looks like he hit the nail on the head.

broncos2729
broncos2729

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QU8tZZzRWdM

The Comment Guy

The problem with feminism is that is turning into a very extreme movement. Most of them moved not by reason, but by emotion. You can't make politics that way!

Teedub

Women by nature are less logical than men, and more emotional. Hence why they make better nurturers. Traditional gender roles and a nuclear two parent heterosexual family is superior to all the new 'progressive' familial types for raising children.

awesomenebula

That is a terrible argument to make. You can argue that feminism is overreaching (that is not problematic as long as you have data to back up your claims) but to claim that women are simply "less logical" is sexism at its finest. At an intellectual level, women are not any less intelligent or logical and to claim that is so shows why feminism is still important in today's society.

meg
meg

As a woman, I certainly agree that the wage gap has been overstated. Yes, women who have no children and thus take off no time for childbearing/childrearing have the opportunity to make % 87 of their male counterparts. Bully for them. However, we as a society have reached a stagnation of population growth, in many ways because of the child-negative society that we have now. If a couple chooses to have a child (as % 90 of Americans do) the woman is fully responsible for all medical complications (morning sickness, childbirth, childbirth recovery, breastfeeding) that may result from this. Men suffer absolutely no adverse consequences from reproducing. This, Zach, is what women are talking about when we mention the "wage gap" in the US. To a 20-something man, it of course seems absurd for society to make up for the "lifestyle choices" that a stupid "feminist" would make in choosing to advance the American race when our growth as a society is stagnating. However, when you consider the fact that providing new taxpayers and proud American citizens is a burden that falls solely on women and the careers of women, can't you at least acknowledge that as the current primary wage earners in the US, women are slated a rough deal in that we are expected to provide for the economy every single new citizen, while competing with wage-earners who may spend their entire working life never being forced to taking a day off to care for a weaker member of society (such as a child), as they will never feel such a burden? If women have truly reached a place of equality in society, why is a burden that biology has placed solely on us (childbearing and the absence from the work force that such a physical hardship necessitates) still perceived by the American economy as a mere "lifestyle choice"?

occamsrzr
occamsrzr

Can someone please explain to me what a "competition of equality" is?

3PsintheV

I don't see the big deal with women making more. I'll kick it at home playing pinball with the kids. I'll even clean the poopie a couple times.

john
john

man you are a weird, depressing dude

Teedub

Argue his points, don't shame them like a child would.

meteorhit2013

So, what you're saying is, someone chose a woman over you and you're butt hurt over it.

2009socalum

Dear Mr. Nold,
Your article is terribly offensive. As a graduate from UNL in Sociology and a current social worker, I am absolutely appalled by your lack of knowledge on the subjects of feminism, women's rights and equality of women. Women hold very few top positions in management, and only a handful of CEOs for fortune 500 companies are female (21 CEOs out of 500 are female, per catalyst.org). Regarding your paragraph beginning, "For the first time in 2010, women made up the majority of the workforce [...]," I would encourage you to refer to this NY Times article from 2010: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/business/28gender.html. Currently, women hold 18.1% of the seats in Congress, obviously not representative of the female portion of the population. In response to your opinions of relationships, I would point out women are frequently victimized by men in relationships (an estimated 1.3 million women per year are assaulted by an intimate partner and 85% of domestic violence victims are female, per the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence), which, to me, would indicate the relationship equality of which you speak is clearly not happening.

I'm not writing this comment to give you all the facts, as facts are malleable to one's own needs, which is clearly visible with your article. My purpose in this message is to advise you to think long and hard about what message you are displaying to the world about yourself. I have also browsed your article from a while ago on leggings and their ill effects on the college campus, and these two articles have convinced me you are very misinformed about the important issues of our day. Please understand you are taking greater risks than you realize by publishing this type of opinion on the internet. While I am more concerned you have these opinions in the first place, you should be aware of the long-lasting effects of sharing them with the world. You will eventually graduate and begin looking for jobs; with articles like these out there for anyone to find, you are risking your career with your current opinions. If the world is as you say, these articles will most certainly offend the feminists on top of the platform and severely limit your chances to climb it for yourself. I doubt you will be able to depend on affirmative action to give you a hand.

As an English major, I would encourage you to focus on learning proper English and expand your reading material. Your use of grammar and sentence variability clearly show you have not focused on your studies. Sentences do not end with prepositions (i.e. "of"). Please leave the social commentary to those educated individuals who actually know what they are saying, or do your research first.

Teedub

If you find that article "terribly offensive" then you're either insane or just incredibly sensitive. Clam down, dear.

Another_woman

"Female hysteria," right? I graduated from a different university and I signed up for an account on this paper's website solely to say how disgusted I was with this article. So. Guess we're all just overreacting.

AntiFat

Typical, of women to overreact. Please work on not being so emotional all the time. Get your feelings in check so you can function like a productive piece of society instead of crying into your ice cream every night.

Days of Broken Arrows

Yes, women are underrepresented at the top. They're also underrepresented at the bottom. Please look up statistics on the overwhelming number of men who are homeless, injured on the job, or casualties of war.

Alyx

Women aren't allowed in combat. Women can't get many factory jobs because of the physical requirements. That should tell you why there are more men who have been injured on the job or casualties of war.

Johnny

so you admit women aren't equal to men in factories?

What do you think will happen when women go to the front lines and come back in bits and pieces? Will our nation become vehemently anti-war, only because women are dying?

Im calling this: Our stance on war and full scale combat will change drastically when women start being blown up. Women may even say that it's unfair to have them serve in the front line because the enemy might rape them, and that we should prevent women from being sent to the front line.

Im calling it now. Just remember that.

mean ole white woman

Don't worry Zack. I am certain that you will see a male president of the United States during your lifetime.

Days of Broken Arrows

Anyone criticizing this editorial should read the article the New York Times published Feb. 3 titled "Boys at the Back." It details widespread bias against boys in school and how it affects them later on.

As for the larger issue here, college should be all about bucking the status quo of society and looking at the world through a different lens. The writer of this article had a lot of guts to do that and should be commended for it, even if you don't agree with it. The very fact that so many people chose to attack this writer personally instead of looking carefully at what he had to say says something: his opponents have no cogent arguments and are just looking for claps on the back from their conformist buddies.

That said, I agree with the ideas put forth here and would like to see more of this type of writing in college papers.

2009socalum

I only wish to point out a number of people have posted links to articles refuting comments made in Mr. Nold's article, however, I have seen very few supporting his suppositions.

AntiFat

Have you checked the links? If I give you 100 links of crap does that my my point more valid or the other person's less valid?

These links that people keep linking to regarding wages are a farce. If you can't see that you're not smart enough to be included in the discussion.

Teedub

Here here! We need to send this young man over to the RVF. [wink]

Teedub

Well done young man, this was a brave article to publish. It shouldn't be, but it is. Modern feminism has made women unhappier, as they are constantly battling against their genetic hard-wiring, which is to be nurturing, not combative and snarky like how the modern American woman has become. This is because feminists want to make friendly, attractive women as bitter as they are.

Case in point, Lindy West from Jezebel who has attempted to trash your article on that site. She's combative, snarky and deeply unattractive both outside and in.

I'm not saying women can't work, nor saying they MUST have children. I'm saying the ones who do must accept they can't have both.

Another_woman

"Case in point, Lindy West from Jezebel who has attempted to trash your article on that site. She's combative, snarky and deeply unattractive both outside and in."

1. What role do her looks play in the verity or false nature of her actual article? 2. Just because you disagree with her opinion (and apparently, personality as a whole), why do you extend these traits to all feminists? (Or women. Presuming you don't understand what "feminism" entails.) 3. It's okay to disagree. Especially on an opinion article that 90% of the commenters are already trashing.

Teedub

Because her looks are the reason for her behavior. If she was attractive, she wouldn't feel the need to be argumentative and 'snarky'. Attractive women are never feminists. They may say they are, but in reality they aren't. See: Scarlet Johannson.

Part of feminism's appeal to unattractive women is its use as a sexual tool, to shame men for not finding them attractive. See: The feminist-led pro-fat movement.

I know this will offend you, but it's what I believe to be true.

Alyx

I am happily married with a baby on the way. I'm well-educated, have a good job, and am a generally happy person. I consider myself to be an attractive person, I'm physically fit, against this "pro-fat" movement of which you speak, and I consider myself to be a feminist. I don't know where you're getting your criteria, but maybe you should find a new definition for feminism.

That's all I'll say on the subject, since we will obviously never agree on this topic.

Another_woman

Hear hear, Alyx! "Her looks are the reason for her behavior?" Like she NEEDS to have male reassurance that she's not ugly in order to make sensible arguments, have a sense of humor, or even - GASP! - not appreciate your sexual wiles? I'm also a well-educated, generally happy, heterosexual, physically fit, nice-job-having, attractive person. (Or at least that's what I'm told by men who aren't put off by my naturally snarky, cheeky personality.) AND I'm a feminist.

Another_woman

Oh, one more thing: If you still think that a woman's argument is valid or invalidated by her looks, then it's clear that Feminism has a LONG way to go. For the love of Cthulu, I hope you're just a troll.

Johnny

it is true. these just fail to see it. All the very attractive women making large amounts of money in "sexually repressing" venues like stripping and Hooters dont seem to have a problem with it.

AntiFat

I call bullsh*t. There is no way all these chicks in Nebraska are physically fit and also attractive and also feminist. First of all there aren't that many that even have the first 2 qualities in this state, much less the 3rd.

Keep lying to yourselves ladies.

Johnny

have to agree with the above. I've seen the movie "fargo". Genetics just doesn't "make everyone beautiful". Apart from that, obesity is rampant. My dad's side has a genetic tendency towards obesity, so I exercise regularly to keep it at bay. It's called personal responsibility.

awesomenebula

Feminism is not about attractiveness. It isn't even inherently about women. It just started out that way. Feminism is about breaking down traditional gender roles that hold both women AND men back.
An attractive women in a wonderful relationship can be feminist, if simply because she thinks that she doesn't have an obligation to do nothing but produce kids and stay at home to raise them.

Justin C Kaleas
Justin C Kaleas

I wonder what it's like, killing your chances of ever having a writing career, and your prospects of ever getting laid again, all in one stroke... No, never mind, I wouldn't want to find out.

Another_woman

BAHAHAHAHA. Thanks for the laugh.

Teedub

He'll get laid more often than you with all your white-knighting. Women can tell desperation when they see it.

Johnny

Here's yet another proof that the worth of a man is defined as his access to a vagina.

That says it all.

SouthernSara7

He cites Suzanne Venker. Oh poor, idiot Zach citing an author whose work is poorly researched and critically slammed. He lost me right there.

Another_woman

Dear Mr. Nold,
Thank you for the compelling and informative read (said no one, ever). While this may genuinely be your opinion - still trying to weigh whether or not you're just trolling the DN Op pages - one thing is certain: Your fellow Boettner has "feminism" figured out, while you're still equating "equal" pay and degrees with across-the-board equality. While we're at it, I'd like to direct you to this article (an actual compelling and interesting read) about what "feminism" means to the rest of us: http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/02/the-importance-of-men-seeing-women-as-human-beings/273417/. You may also be interested in checking out how many women lead, or are in the upper echelons of, Fortune 500 companies. Feminism isn't man-hating, the same way misogyny isn't women-hati...oh wait.

Lynn

Here are a few words I don't think this young man has had the chance to learn throughout his secondary education : "feminism", "affirmative action", "equal" and its derivative "equality". This could be because he is choosing to "half-ass" his education because of the shape of his genitals.

This piece is rambling, poorly thought out and offensive. This young man's thoughts are not helping men, women, adults in relationships or his college peers. For example, he suggests that women are forcing men out of jobs because the workplace now more than ever "relies on communication and thinking over physical strength" but then asserts that women are ruining modern relationships because they are more competitive? Which is it, am I too touchy-feely or too competitive? Am I just too much of a person?

UNK_WSTD_student
UNK_WSTD_student

Please, please tell me this opinion piece is intended to a social science experiment, intended to gauge how people will react. I am begging you to tell me that. If you cannot tell me that, then I must hang my head in shame because we are both seniors in the same university system. I have much more to say about your opinion piece, but cannot do so right now, as I will likely be less than polite. I would, however, like to propose something to you. The next time you publish anything, run it through MS Word first, that way your countless errors (and you are an ENGLISH major?) could be corrected first.

Another_woman

CHURCH. Thank you UNK_WSTD_student for some much-needed words of sanity.

Lynn

I'd just once like to see a piece that inspired young men to better themselves that didn't tear down the gains made by women. Straight, white men are not struggling simply because other groups have made strides towards equality. Throughout modern history, members of marginalized groups and their allies have been working together for advancement, supporting one another, while their detractors use divisive tactics like resisting and belittling these groups, refusing to acknowledge the benefits of diversity or to find joy in helping others. Yet, many men still think they can help themselves and other men by being part of the latter group that resists and belittles others instead of the former which supports, nurtures and works in cooperation.

Days of Broken Arrows

You mean the gains GIVEN to women by men in power so they could double the labor pool and reduce everyone's wages. Feminism and the breakdown of the family is the way the one percent controls even more. Do some research.

TFP

No u

Johnny

Explain to me how this article is attempting to "tear down all the progress feminism has made".

"Feminism has achieved equality, and no it's overreaching, seeing superiority".

vs

"Feminism isnt good, it should be removed and have it's gains taken away."

Can you see the difference in that? Please tell me you can.

Alyx

This is the biggest load of bullcrap I have ever read in my life. I consider myself a bit of a feminist, and love the fact that, if anything were to happen to my husband, I could stand on my own two feet and support a family. I love the fact that I'm independent - I don't have to count on him for every little thing.

I love that we are equals in our marriage. I love that he supports me in whatever I choose to do, whether it is go back to school to get an advanced degree or go for a promotion at work. I love that he believes in me, my intelligence, and my leadership abilities. I appreciate that he is just fine with me working while he is in school so that we don't have as much debt. I love that he ENCOURAGES me to advance myself in our society.

I do not currently, nor have I ever, seen myself as some sort of dominatrix who's out to have one night stands and always open the door for myself. I do not view men as "lesser creatures." Instead, I view myself as a woman who deserves respect - I am educated, I am intelligent, and I am capable. I should not have to give up my dreams and aspirations for anyone.

I am a feminist, I am about to be a mother, and I am part of an equal and happy marriage. You, Zach Nold, are an ignorant individual.

Johnny

Nowhere does this article say that you should go back to being dependent on "your man".

You are, in fact, proving his point. Women are equal. Thanks for proving that.

Syndromia
Syndromia

You seem to be equating college enrollment with complete equality and that just isn't true. The fact is, while more women than men make up college students, men still take up most of the science and math degrees and when women choose to major in, say, engineering the degree of sexism and discrimination she faces is outrageous.

Women still face a wage gap of $.73 for a man's dollar, and that is between white people, that doesn't take into account the wage gap between men and women of color or women of color and white men.

Women are less happy than men who work outside the home because they are subject to sexual harassment (not saying that doesn't happen to men, but it happens less) and they still have to come home and work a 'second shift' doing the majority of the housework and the child care.

One in six women will be the victim of sexual assault. While men can be victims too, we're talking one in thirty three and we can't forget that close to 99% of perpetrators are men. When we live in a world where men hang up signs advising other men to, "rape, rape, rape!" and, "Slit her throat if she'll recognize you," feminism is absolutely still needed.

What you are perpetuating are fallacious arguments and you are part of the backlash against feminism.

Johnny

More women in college.
More men take up engineering and science.

Who's choices/fault is that? Are we supposed to dangle a carrot to attract women into those fields because they are "too oppressed" to choose for themselves? Get a brain.

Syndromia
Syndromia

The short answer? Society and the patriarchy. Still, I don't expect that to be good enough. The long answer is parents, educators, and manufacturers.

According to the article, "Gender Issues on the Internet," by Nicola Jones, Katherine Ladniak, and P.J. O'Sullivan, ""Girls are encouraged, for example, to be nurturing, to develop good verbal skills, and not to be aggressive; boys, in contrast, are encouraged to develop good mathematical skills but not their nurturing capacity or their verbal skills" (Eisenhart, 1992, p.145). Girls are not encouraged to use computers that encourage collaboration and helping of others, such as in collaborative work or learning, because they are pushed towards a caregiving, personable type of life. "For men in contrast, computers have already become a leisure pursuit" (Spender p. 190). Since girls are encouraged to develop good verbal and nurturing skills, whereas boys are encouraged to have better mathematical and technological skills, the Internet presents itself as a male dominated province which women should not enter." and, "Women are not only pushed away from computer class, they are also pushed away from other important classes such as mathematics and science. The AAUW Report: How Schools Shortchange Girls reveals how young girls receive an inferior education to boys in America's schools. The results of the report indicate that American education dissuades girls from pursuing math-related careers in proportion to boys. Additionally, the study shows that the gender gap in science continues to increase (Wolf, 1998, p. 23). The fact that women are not getting the same education, as males are, in high school is a cause for great concern about the equality of males and females...Thus, not only is the Internet a hostile environment for women but so certain subjects such as math and science.
Then, of course, there are the second group of people I mentioned; manufacturers and distributors. Mattel, the maker of Barbie, manufactured a Barbie in the mid 90’s that said, “Math is hard!”. Children of the 90’s are today’s college students or recent graduates. Then, in 1999, Mattel also manufactured computers for children; a hot wheels one for boys and a Barbie one for girls. The hot wheels one was primarily blue and came preprogrammed with The Oregon Trail Adventure and a math lab, among other things. The Barbie one was pink and silver and came preprogramed with a fashion game, a horse riding game, and a writing center. Perhaps you’ll argue that this was just good business, marketing computers to suit each genders’ natural interests. To that, I say that you need look no further than Toys R Us’s 2009 ad featuring a pink and a red microscope and a black and a pink telescope. Now, while there are no laws saying girls had to buy the pink ones or that boys couldn’t, what would your parents have bought you? Well, my parents would have bought me the boy’s ones, but then I hated the color pink. Still, this doesn’t seem so egregious until you look at the power. The pink microscope magnifies at 600x, the red at 900x, and the black at 1200x. The telescopes are 250x and 520x for the black ones and 90x for the pink. Dr. Isis puts it best, “I get the alleged altruistic intent, even though it only very thinly veils a heap of patriarchal baloney — we’re showing the girls that they can do boy stuff and still be “girly” too, even if the work they are able to do with the tools will be, by design, subpar… I worry about needing to send the message that science must be fashionable to attract girls, because I fear that fashion is deeply rooted in the patriarchy — rooted in a culture that teaches girls to be subservient, demure, and open to the sexual whims of their male counterparts… Creating a separate but equal dichotomy for children has the potential to be the biggest science FAIL in the history of the universe.”
There is far, far more but this has gotten long enough and if you want to know you can do your own research.

Johnny

The thing is that your explanations are full of crap. Have you read a human development college book lately? It's full of the kind of crap you think is taught "only to girls".

There were NO classes when I was growing up that told me I should be logical and aggressive. There were NO classes that told girls they should be communicators and passive. My bio class was a spread of tables in a U shape all around with a female bio teacher in the middle showing us how to dissect frogs and sheeps eyes, and half or slightly more of the students in that class were female.

In short, you're full of shit. They have choices. I have a choice. You have a choice. it's called free will, if you believe in free will. If women can choose but don't, who's choice is it? Or are they all just mind slaved to some ethereal "patriarchy" state?

Do you think that gender norms dont run both ways? That men don't have to "play their role" too, in order not to be seen as incompetent and weak and worthless?

get your trash out of here. Come back when you have a reasonable argument.

Syndromia
Syndromia

Sweetheart, my empirical research,and I have more than what I shared, trumps your one example of gender in what was probably a required course. Now, since our own individual experiences carry more weight than well researched scholarly articles, let me share mine; in my basic biology class in high school there was a pretty even gender mix, which would make sense considering everyone had to take it. What wasn't even was the time and attention the instructor gave to the female students. He read an article about how instructors favor male students over female when it came to time and attention so he asked two colleagues to come in and watch our class, one man and one woman. Both of those two agreed that, despite his feeling that he gave everybody equal attention, he spent 80% of his attention on the boys. He said he was sorry the next day in class and strove to do better. Now, you might say that my one example isn't sufficient (though I'd say yours isn't either), so I'll also tell you that I found the article he read and several more like it. All of them showed that instructors of both genders spent between 75-85% of their attention on boys and men vs 15-25% on girls. Later on, when I took anatomy and physiology I was one of, I believe, seven girls in a class of 30 and the boys got significantly more attention, even factoring in sheer numbers.

Of course gender norms work both ways! No one is saying they don't or that men aren't damaged by the patriarchy too. Turns out that there is a great deal of truth to the claim that you can't hold someone else down without being right down there with them. As surely as painting women as passive nurturers hurts women, painting men as aggressive neanderthals hurts men. And it is the patriarchy that does this ,not feminism. When the patriarchal system denies women positions of leadership in proportion to men, denies them a fair wage, and with its backlash against feminism claims that women are unhappy in the workplace this hurts us all. Women are clearly hurt here, but so are men. When women are denied a fair wage, it means that the men in their lives must work harder to make ends meet. When hegemonic masculinity, an aspect of the patriarchy, paints men as tough and independent it also paints them as uncaring and violent and this hurts both the men who try to live up to it and the men that can't/don't.

Your sheer level of hostility and anger indicates to me that you think I do have a point. If you really thought I didn't you'd just blow me off. Look, I get it, it is really scary to face up to your privilege and the thought that it might be taken away. It is really scary to think about other people being oppressed because it takes away the comfort of feeling like all your successes are completely due to your hard work and that other's failures are due to their lack of it. Facing up to unearned privilege means facing up to the reality that it could be you being forced into careers with limited earning potential. It could be you standing at the chalkboard with the wrong answer while women hiss that men are just naturally terrible at math. I've had to face up to that with my white privilege, my cis privilege, and my heterosexual privilege. It really does bite.

Johnny

Well, dear.

As surely as painting women as passive nurturers hurts women, painting men as aggressive neanderthals hurts men. And it is the patriarchy that does this ,not feminism.

SCUM Manifesto was considered one of the most outrageous, violent and certifiably crazy tracts when it first appeared in 1968. Valerie Solanas, the woman who shot Andy Warhol, self-published this work just before her rampage against the king of Pop Art made her a household name and resulted in her confinement to a mental institution. But the Manifesto, for all its vitriol, is impossible to dismiss as just the rantings of a lesbian lunatic. In fact, the work has indisputable prescience, not only as a radical feminist analysis light-years ahead of its timepredicting artificial insemination, ATMs, a feminist uprising against under-representation in the artsbut also as a stunning testament to the rage of an abused and destitute woman.

In the Manifesto, Solanas calls on women to rise up against men who she sees as biologically inferior and responsible for all of the world’s problems. However, she doesn’t end there. She refers to the male as “a biological accident” and the Y-chromosome as being an incomplete X-chromosome, making the male an incomplete female. She further calls for men to be exterminated and to assist in eliminating themselves by eliminating each other.

There are those who have stated that this Manifesto is little more than a parody of “patriarchy” or a work of satire. They claim to view it as an anti-patriarchal statement, but state that the calls for the elimination of men should not be taken seriously.

Further evidence that the SCUM Manifesto was to be taken seriously is found in the reaction of feminist leaders and organizations to Solanas’ Manifesto and shooting of Andy Warhol. Ti-Grace Atkinson, radical feminist and president of the New York chapter of NOW, called Solanas “the first outstanding champion of women’s rights” and heralded her as “a ‘heroine’ of the women’s movement.” Robin Morgan, former editor of Ms Magazine, included excerpts in her book, Sisterhood is Powerful. Other feminist authors such as Amanda Third and Catherine Lord have credited her with creating radical feminism and have stated that the feminist movement would not have occurred if it hadn’t been for Valerie Solanas. There have also been several books, plays, and movies glorifying Solanas and her actions.

There are also those who would dispute the acronym that SCUM stands for the Society for Cutting Up Men. While this is not spelled out within the document itself, It was stated on the cover of her self-published version in 1967.

In New York in 1967 at about the same time Solanas was publishing the SCUM Manifesto, Shulamith Firestone, Pam Allen, Carol Hanish, and Robin Morgan founded a group called New York Radical Women. This short-lived organization adopted a radical feminist ideology that emphasized the patriarchal oppression of women by men similar to that outlined in the SCUM Manifesto. They claimed that men exercised social dominance over women by creating social roles that divided privilege and power by gender.

“Authority and Government: Having no sense of right and wrong … the male feels a need for external guidance and control. So he created authorities — priests, experts, bosses, leaders, etc — and government… he sees to it that all authorities are male.”

So tell me you're not reading straight out of the SCUM manifesto with all your "examples".

The male is a biological accident: the Y (male) gene is an incomplete X (female) gene, that is, it has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.

The male is completely egocentric, trapped inside himself, incapable of empathizing or identifying with others, or love, friendship, affection of tenderness. He is a completely isolated unit, incapable of rapport with anyone. His responses are entirely visceral, not cerebral; his intelligence is a mere tool in the services of his drives and needs; he is incapable of mental passion, mental interaction; he can’t relate to anything other than his own physical sensations. He is a half-dead, unresponsive lump, incapable of giving or receiving pleasure or happiness; consequently, he is at best an utter bore, an inoffensive blob, since only those capable of absorption in others can be charming. He is trapped in a twilight zone halfway between humans and apes, and is far worse off than the apes because, unlike the apes, he is capable of a large array of negative feelings — hate, jealousy, contempt, disgust, guilt, shame, doubt — and moreover, he is aware of what he is and what he isn’t.”


you said - As surely as painting women as passive nurturers hurts women, painting men as aggressive neanderthals hurts men. And it is the patriarchy that does this ,not feminism.

SCUM manifesto says - His responses are entirely visceral, not cerebral; his intelligence is a mere tool in the services of his drives and needs; he is incapable of mental passion, mental interaction; he can’t relate to anything other than his own physical sensations. He is a half-dead, unresponsive lump, incapable of giving or receiving pleasure or happiness;


In your so called observations, did you account for the fact that females are more passive, and less willing to engage in class by their own choice? That alone will limit interaction between teacher and student. But you can't make the horse take a drink even if you lead it to water.

Our society teaches girls that they can be passive, and should demand things be given to them if they don't receive it from a free hand. You know who that is, don't you? Feminism.

The SCUM manifesto strikes again - The most important is getting rid of self-blame. Can you imagine what would happen if women, blacks, and workers (my definition of worker is anyone who has to work for a living as opposed to those who don’t. All women are workers) would-stop blaming ourselves for our sad situations? …We are only starting to stop blaming ourselves.”

my "hostility" only indicates that you're full of crap and you actually believe it, and I think you should figure out what's really going on before you become an incurable narcissistic irresponsible mess. Do you really think that the privileges of always being told we're oppressing people, being shot in wars, and having to MAKE OURSELVES because we don't get gender/race based aid in any shape or form, do you really think those privileges outweigh the costs of giving women alimoney, only having an 80% chance that the child she bore is "his" because she cheated in the relationship, paying child support for other men's children because they simply gave a single toy to the child trying to be nice, and generally get crapped on when it comes to law of "male vs female"?

here's a good youtube for you to visit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K6owAjIFP0

his experience mirrors the very common attitude and behavior of women as portrayed in movies, pop culture, fashion, advertisements, and in personal experience, especially watching interactions as a bystander.

If you really believe that people are hostile towards you when you're "right", then you must always be "right", because the more insane and worthless your beliefs are, the more likely people are going to be upset at how someone can be that full of it.

I'm sorry if you don't like facts, darling, and if it hurts your feelings, but you don't care about reality.

Syndromia
Syndromia

First, using insane in this context is ablesim and isn't ok as it dismisses and trivializes people with mental illnesses. Instead, try using such words and phrases as; illogical, irrational, misleading, taking an emotional position, lying, not making sense, not thinking, incapable of critical thinking, an asshat, an assclown, a dipshit, beyond irrelevant, rationalizing, arguing an unsound position, or arguing without foundation.

Then, using The S.C.U.M. Manifesto as a an example of what all feminists believe would be like if atheists were running around saying that ALL Christians hated America and believed that school shooters were sent by God to punish us for our 'sinful' ways. While I'm sure there are those who do, it isn't right and it isn't accurate any more than saying that feminists, then or now, all want to cut up men because one woman said so 46 years ago.

awesomenebula

I feel like I should link you to this article (though I am doubtful you'll read it) published in the NY Times. It is about a study that displays the overt biases women who are in and wish to be in STEM fields face.
The fact is, women who choose to go into these fields must overcome much more bias against them then males who choose to pursue similar careers, and taking into account the amount of studying anyone wishing to pursue a STEM job must face, this adversity can be frightening and make women feel as though they would be better off not going into a STEM field. This is NOT a male versus female thing, as evidenced by the fact that sex made no difference; both male and females were biased against females. This is an entrenched societal view that needs to change, and that is why feminism has not done its job. Its not overreaching.


Also, feminism embraces the idea of gender equality; this means that feminists acknowledge and actively fight against the idea that men need to be super masculine and never cry or be sensitive. However, Mr. Nold, nor you had previously brought up that point, that is why it was not mentioned in Syndromia's comment.

That is all.

The article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/science/bias-persists-against-women-of-science-a-study-says.html?_r=0

Johnny

http://www.daddyfiles.com/mr-nice-guy-is-a-douchebag/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhpkoQtZRwY

http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/

'He defends the current legal definition of rape and/or opposes making consent a defense.
He has procured a prostitute.
He characterizes prostitution as a “legitimate” “job” “choice” or defends men who purchase prostitutes.
He has ever revealed he conceives of sex as fundamentally transactional.
He has gone to a strip club.
He is anti-abortion.
He is pro-”choice” because he believes abortion access will make women more sexually available.
He frames discussions of pornography in terms of “freedom of speech.”
He watches pornography in which women are depicted.'

Guess what. Women don't want guys that are open and sensitive to others.

It's okay to state they want this, but what they come back with isn't the same as on the shopping list. Let's explain the cognitive dissonance.

Sensitive can be "weak", "supplicating".
emotional can be "crybaby", "passive".

The positive side are the ones most "feminists" say they want, while they usually pass any guy off who exhibits these as "creepy, a loser, etc". In other words, when talking about it, they claim to want it, but when it actually comes to selection time, the negative side is all they hear in their heads.

Feminists DO NOT embrace gender equality by the very fact that nearly all girls below the age of 25 exhibit this same say/choose hypocrisy every single time, and these are girls who were raised on the plateau of feminists rise.

http://alpha-status.blogspot.com/2009/02/nice-guys-are-assholes.html
http://www.puaforums.com/


Now, either there is a huge mass conspiracy going on, or the proof is in the pudding.

Traits that "nice guys" exhibit aren't just good "male" traits. They're good HUMAN traits. And the awakening that is happening across the Pick Up Artist community, as well as the disdain and outright vitriol flung at "nice guys" simple proves that what you say about what "feminists" embrace is absolutely false.

Johnny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=sYY3vDnHr3A&NR=1

http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/Jerksthelesserevil.shtml

http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/notniceguys.shtml

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzMrUc6e204

Listen to these places. Think about what they mean.

I'm not going to be the "last place holder" for the women who've had their jollies with bad boys and "finally come around to the nice guy" after they actually DO start losing their prime attributes and have no future prospects.

nrhcp

Holy cow you are ignorant! This article may have been relatively well-written and well-researched, but that doesn’t mean your points or resources are logical.
First, I’d like to include an article from this same site: http://www.dailynebraskan.com/opinion/article_44f57cc4-384a-11e2-b423-001a4bcf6878.html
Second, if feminism has killed the old-fashioned, unequal form of relationships, then I say good riddance! We need to change our definition of relationship anyway. Culture and norms change. For better or worse—in this case, I’d say it’s a good thing.
When black people gained more rights, did it bring down white people? No. So why should the advancement of women bring down men? The only answer I can think of is that your perception of masculinity is inherently tied to the domination over women, so therefore if women are stronger, you are no longer a “man.” This is ridiculous. We are both human beings and both genders should be strong.
Third, the fact that women are earning more degrees just means they are catching up for lost time and proving they are, in fact, ambitious and smart, which people didn’t think for a long time. However, women still typically need a Master’s for the same job a man would only need a Bachelor’s, and so on. Do some research on the other side of the argument.
Maybe women are equal in the eyes of the law (and let me tell you, this isn’t even 100% true-do some more research, buddy) but they are not equal in social situations. Sexism exists, toward men AND women, and feminism is against both. Feminism has helped men. Feminism is against the discrimination of gay men and women, it’s against shaming men for not being “manly” enough, it’s against putting pressure on men to be the primary breadwinners, a norm that causes many men to be overly stressed and unhappy. It’s against men having to pay for everything.
Good luck finding a smart girlfriend, because with this attitude, you might just end up with a mindless drone who wants a ring.

04792

Poorly written. Laughable research.

justincresswell

Tell you what, friend. If you can wait this long, I'll raise my two daughters to follow these rules and guidelines. You can date them, if you'll have them. Then you can be all you can be without a woman holding you back. Best of luck in the meantime.

JerseyShoreIntrovert

Zach, ignore all these feminist trolls who are looking to do nothing more get page views for their crappy site. By them responding the way they are , it's doing nothing more than proving you correct.

Excellent work.

mls312

Wow. The ignorance taking place here is astounding. The very fact that women's responses (to an article essentially telling us to shut up) are seen as "feminist trolling" just demonstrates the fact that equality is far from being achieved.

04792

@Teedub not sure if you're just trolling or actually Zach's mom trying to protect him. It seems fishy is all.
He claims he is a man, he claims he is a writer, now he has to deal with the responsibilities of failing both. This article was an embarrassment to all who were responsible for it. Even though we don't even hold high standards for a college newspaper, nevertheless shame on you Daily Nebraskan and UNL journalism.

Days of Broken Arrows

Teedub is not trolling. He's a regular commenter and writer on a group of blogs known as "the manosphere." I'd urge you to get out of your feminist echo chamber and check them out.

And stop with the "shame on you" crap. This is America, not the Catholic Church.

Johnny

I'd REALLY like you to qualify how he fails at being a man. For daring to disagree with the feminist party line? For suggesting that there is already enough equality?

Rates in jobs aren't right? Go work for them with the same level of diligence as "those males who get them all".

Violence is horribly against women? Nope, look at the numbers.
Only men rape? Nope, look at the numbers.
Only men are child molesters? Nope, look at the numbers.
Only men hit their spouse? Nope, look at the numbers.

I highly suggest that when any feminist thinks something is so wrong, they research it first.

Days of Broken Arrows

If the writer of this article is still reading comments, I would urge him to check out the loose knit collection of blogs known as "the manosphere." Start with Roosh V, then go to The Spearhead, the Heartiste. All of these blogs have big followings of people tired of toeing the politically correct party line. And most of the ideas they put forth are actual ideas, not a bunch of little girl trolling comments -- as you see here.

One more thought for all the men here: those of you who support the women insulting the writer should realize these are the entitled harridans you will marry who will take half your assets and claim ownership of your children. Because if there is any place feminism is worse than on college campus, it's in family court. That's the reason your mom got the house and your dad lives in an apartment. Don't think you'll end up any different. Your lack of support for this writer is ensuring that.

jesse1177

Zach Nold, thank you for your article. I can't say I agree with the idea that at this time feminism is not needed, but I am curious about the ways that men experience feminism today. I can tell that you care for the rights of women and are an advocate of healthy relationships, and I applaud anyone for speaking up for these issues. I do hope that you continue to be curious about feminism and open to hearing about why women (and I would argue men) do need feminism. It would be great if you would take the time to read this article (not written by me, but i think it's a great article about the history of feminism). Now I don't mean to say feminism has ways it needs to grow and change, but I do think it is necessary, and I am hoping you are open to listening to those with that perspective as well:

http://www.salon.com/2013/02/21/the_longest_revolution_partner/?source=newsletter

Johnny

In the same way men today need masculinity.

Why have there been no hetero male pride walks? Could it be because it would be offensive and bigoted to feminists and LGBT? The only ones who get to be proud of being who there are can't be straight and male.

awesomenebula

I've seen similar responses in these sorts of instances, and I would like to say, as respectfully as I can, that the reason there have been no "hetero male pride walks" is because heterosexual males have not faced discrimination to the scale that women and LGBT people have. If you decided to have a heterosexual male pride walk, no one is going to yell at you about it. You are allowed to do so. :)

Johnny

Oh really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jckfL4LdBtQ

jesse1177

Typo, what I meant was: Now I don't mean to say feminism doesn't need to grow and change (meaning yes feminism has it's issues and feedback like yours is helpful to illuminating the ways it needs to improve). My apologies for the confusion. Hope you enjoy the article!

CONCERNEDPROF

The problem here is not so much this college senior's unfortunate world view. As much as I may disagree, he is entitled to make an argument for his claim. The sadder part is the absolutely terrible writing that has obviously been let slide by both UN Lincoln's English department and the Daily Nebraskan editorial board. Beyond the content, this is just LOADED with bad grammar and sentence structure, voice shifting, straw (wo)man arguments (WHO are the feminists he is talking about? What "movement"?") shoddy supporting evidence (Women are rising as percentage of Fortune 500 CEO's? Yes, it is easy to raise your numbers when they start close to nothing) and universal application of his own obviously personal experience, making for totalizing claims. I blast my students about these things after their first assignment, spend a lot of time giving feedback, and grade so harshly regardless of political orientation that most improve somewhat over the course of the semester. This is as much, if not more, an institutional failure as opposed to a personal one. U Nebraska, I know from colleagues that went there that you are more than your football team. Have some pride, and don't pass or publish writing like this.

AntiFat

No legit "prof" would base any assumption of a school with approx 20,000 students on their football team with approx 100 people on it.

TFP

Don't worry, I have trouble understanding what I read sometimes, too.

mls312

Equality has been achieved? Why then, do we still have to write and vote on laws protecting women against violence, largely perpetrated by men? And why do people (yourself included, and fans on is comment thread) still think it is acceptable and justified to judge a woman's opinion or decisions based on her looks? If we have achieved equality, why do lawmakers and voters seem to be convinced that they can make decisions about what women can do with their bodies and for their health, without consulting women about it? And if we have achieved equality, why are women labeled "whores" for wanting birth control, blamed for being irresponsible if they can't get it, and then called welfare queens when they go on government assistance because they can't afford not to?

This poorly researched and poorly written piece is an embarrassment.

Days of Broken Arrows

Men are victims of violence more than women. The only reason legislators get behind the Violence Against Women Act is to pander to their base of feminists who get government grants from the programs such legislation creates.

Think about it for a second. It's ALREADY against the law to hit or murder a woman. All VAWA does is feed pork to feminists and eliminate due process for men.

It also says something about American women's narcissism that we have a VAWA and no Violence Against Children Act. Women deem themselves more important than those they're supposed to care for.

Johnny

We have a winner. There have always been laws against criminal behavior and the perpetration of such against individuals. If it wasn't fairly enforced, feminists should've said that it should be fairly enforced. Instead, they sought to make "Extra" protections in law for ONLY women.

Women who still claim to be oppressed are kidding themselves.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

Going to repost an earlier comment because it brings me such joy.

This is all well and good, until you remember that VAWA is one of the most misguided, draconian and constitutionally unstable pieces of legislation ever pushed through congress in the first place.

For starters, it is based on the thoroughly debunked Deluth model. Not all domestic violence is perpetrated by men against women/children. It's not even close. VAWA was the legislation equivalent of an old wives tale, and gendered ideology behind it has very little basis in actual research.

Conversely, every actual statistic shows the genders of both perpetrators -and- victims approaching 50% across the board. Yet VAWA only offered its protection to half and that is fine for you.

It approached lunacy in interfering with the courts and the rights of the accused. Under the "expanded" definitions of domestic violence (which themselves are so terrible they cause me actual physical pain) any woman by virtue of having VAWA on their side could allege victimhood and have a restraining order or worse. No evidence required beyond her internal and non-verified feelings, the woman is beyond reproach and any attempt to ferret out facts will be met with cries of victim blaming. Cross-examination, due process, and a truckload of civil rights take a backseat and that is so disgustingly unnatural it makes me want to throw something valuable into something more valuable.

The only point I agree with you on is that VAWA was nuked for the wrong reasons. It was not renewed based not on the massive problems of logic, but on the basis that unconstitutional protections may extend to groups of people Republicans don't get votes from. Whatever, I'm glad it's gone.

Before everyone in the comments stops doing tumblr social justice crusades and jumps down my throat - yes, I think the same legal protections should extend to everyone regardless. That includes Native Americans and people in the LGBTQALTUPAC(whatever new letters they're annexing this week) population. These protections however must not infringe upon the rights of the accused. People who disagree with that, well, I have some scathing allusions to McCarthy or Salem, take your pick.

There's also problems with your article itself.

>one in four
One in four is the goto statistic for any feminist rhetoric. It's also completely fabricated. People are going to read this and think one in four women are getting beat by their husband, when in the expanded DV definitions it could be something as innocuous as failing to buy her a tenth pair of new shoes.

>Congress needs to re-authorize the bill.
No.

>The act provided resources and aid for millions of people in America affected by domestic violence.
As long as they had ovaries.

>The VAWA did more than make a statement. It helped not only women, but men and children.
Except, it didn't. Over 90% of the VAWA provisions were exclusive to women. Everything from legal fees to counseling, there were no provisions for male victims. Stop lying.

>People who perpetrate domestic violence are likely to abuse children in the home, according to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence.
And according to FBI crime statistics, women compose a good 80% of child abuse. There couldn't be a correlation here at all.

>Legally, it helped state legislatures enact tougher penalties on those who beat women and children.
But not on women, who are half the problem. Many of the "tougher penalties" were also unconstitutional.

>Domestic violence can happen to anybody. Violence doesn’t discriminate against gender, race, economic status or religion.
You weren't whining when VAWA was intact and only offering protections to half the overall victims of DV. You don't get to be righteously indignant about this.

>These kind of incidents show why we need the VAWA more than ever.
An accusation is not guilt. That aside, they really do not show why we need draconian measures when we already have things in place.

>Domestic violence remains underreported
One in four is underreporting? Well, I guess when we're talking about something as important as DV, any old figure will do.

>Programs established by the act gave these victims a safe place.
As long as they had vaginas. Guess how many DV shelters there are in the country which allow men? (Protip: you can count them on your hands.)

>This past year, the Lincoln community united by attending rallies that included Take Back The Night and Slut Walk. UNL also hosted Week Without Violence.
All of which was completely ineffectual gendered rhetoric. A bunch of women parading around in their underwear like they're accomplishing something does not a movement make.

>harmed by Congress’ not renewing this piece of legislation.
If your ideology is harmed by congress not renewing something as bigoted and unconstitutional as VAWA, maybe it is time to rethink things.

>Congress needs to protect its constituents.
They are. They're protecting men from VAWA. Or are they only allowed to protect constituents you agree with?

>More than a million women in the United States face violence each year. Congress can help these women by renewing the Violence Against Women Act.
More than a million men face violence too, but we can ignore them if it makes us feel better about ourselves.

mls312

Please consider reading this and putting some thought into it. http://sap.mit.edu/content/pdf/male_privilege.pdf

jennabun
jennabun

It is sad that the general public thinks that "feminism has achieved what it was set out to do." What about the fact that women are still afraid to walk alone at night? Or how some people still think women DESERVE to be raped based on what clothes she wears? What about the people who think it's okay to call women sluts, whores, skanks, or worse names just for having sex? What about the fact that Planned Parenthood centers are under attack in this country just for providing reproductive health to women? What about how it's STILL TABOO to talk about women's health in 2013 unless it's on a sexualized slogan like "Save the Boobies!"? What about the fact that people see that about 5% of the worlds top-earning CEOs and women and call that GENDER EQUALITY? What about the fact that women are still victims of domestic violence and workplace sexual harassment at alarming rates? Or what about the fact that any woman who isn't thin, white, or in feminine clothing is shamed for her appearance? What about cat-calling? What about the fact that people still think that gender roles are necessary or even beneficial? I could go on. Oh, how I could go on...

There are a lot of people making angry comments on this article - and for good reason. Anyone who is a woman or who loves a woman SHOULD BE ANGRY about this article.. We should be mad that there are still people who think this way in Nebraska, and we should make our voices against the contents of the article loud and clear.

Feminism still has so much work to do. We aren't even CLOSE to being done yet. This guy just proved it.

Days of Broken Arrows

1). Men can't walk at night either. They're more often the victims of violent crime than women. Especially minority men.

2). No one said anyone should be raped. Straw-man argument.

3). No one said it was OK to call women names, but keep in mind that there are equally as many bad names for men: wimp, deadbeat, basement dweller, loser, creeper, etc. Feminists have the need to be eternal victims and are incapable of seeing the shaming done to men, esp. minority men.

4). Planned Parenthood is not "under attack" for providing "reproductive health." People have issues with abortion per se. Some people think it's murder. Talk to them.

5). The "Save the Boobies" campaign is something women push, not men. Talk to the women. Men don't because they'll be branded as "creepy" (see above).

6). Regarding CEOs: men conceived and built American business. You can't expect women to just step in and take top positions. Most men work menial jobs before ascending the corporate ladder. Also, if you're calling for women to be at the top, call for them to be at the bottom too: please call for women to do all the grungy, dangerous jobs that kill men in droves, like coal miner, skyscraper window washer, road crew, etc. Also, take a look at the family court system sometime and how men are forced into debtor's prison and not allowed to see their kids when they can't make the sky-high alimony/child support payments imposed by courts and often imposed when the woman wants out of marriage via no fault divorce.

If you're going to come up with points to argue, look for some original ones. To reflect the end of your comment back at you: It's a shame you care so little about the men in your life or the men who gave their lives to build the country you get to have freedom of speech in.

TFP

Bro, I tried to conceive American business too and it was pretty messy.

AntiFat

I guarantee none of those points made any sense to her. Crime is the reason women don't want to walk alone, nothing else.

jennabun
jennabun

1). Do you fear staying in your car while waiting to pick up a friend from their home? Do you fear the 10 foot walk from your car to your front door because someone might be ready to attack you? Do you feel scared when you have to park far away at the grocery store's front door at night? Are you on edge going up the stairs in your apartment building? Do you carry your keys on your hand at all times, walk fast, and have pepper spray in your pocket whenever you're out alone? Are you scared to leave a bar without a friend or two? Do you cross to the other side of the street when you see someone walking toward you? Are you afraid to go out on your porch and smoke alone? Do you ever feel ok walking your dog alone in a suburban neighborhood? I am always this frightened. THIS is the extent of night fear I am talking about. Every woman goes through this every time she is outside her house at night; I guarantee it. It is not on par with the fear the average man feels on a daily basis.

2). He said "feminism has achieved what it set out to do." The rape comment is relevant because women still get raped at rates much higher than men and the perpetrators are overwhelmingly men. Plus, people take it a step further and say some women deserve rape. Nobody never deserves rape. This is one of many examples why feminism has NOT finished its job; rape is a feminist issue and therefore not a straw man.

3). Nobody said that women should be called names, true. But it's another example of how feminism is still needed in society. Feminism would even help with men getting called degrading names because most of the time the names men are called are associated with feminine traits. Men are called "wimps" or "pussies" because it's still seen as a negative thing to be emotional, sensitive, or, in other words, feminine. If feminism proved that so-called "girly" traits are positive and ought to be valued as much as traditionally masculine traits, both men and women would benefit. As far as the word "creeper" goes, I've only ever called guys creepers if try are doing something that is making me uncomfortable. Instead of getting offended, men should probably be understanding and stop doing whatever is making the woman uncomfortable.

4). Abortion is always a sensitive issue. However, at the end of the day, it comes down to trusting women and valuing their bodily autonomy. Just like women can't stop their male significant others from getting vasectomies, men (or anyone of any gender, really) shouldn't be able to tell a woman that she must reproduce. Abortion and contraception are deeply personal issues and that's how they should remain - personal. If a woman requires an abortion for health reasons or otherwise, she would be able to do so safely and without harassment from others. It's a necessary medical procedure in many life threatening circumstances, and therefore, IS a women's health issue.

5). Women push "save the boobies" because people only seem to pay attention to women's issues if they are sexualized. Women perpetuating the campaign doesn't make it any less sexist. Women are also capable of sexism against women - if your exposed to sexism in society, it's easy to start believing in it yourself.
Look up "internalized misogyny."

6). You're correct in saying it's going to take time for women to ascend the latter in corporations. However, my point was that feminism isn't irrelevant BECAUSE we haven't reached that level yet. If women aren't ascending, there's a reason: a lot of the time, those reasons are related to the men the top doubting a woman's competence because a woman in a leadership position is still perceived as unconventional. I think over time women will prove their worth by working their way up from the bottom, but the rate would be much quicker if more men got on board with feminism and wanted to see women succeed as much as men. That doesn't seem to be the case. Furthermore, I fully support the idea of women being in more "masculine" forms of duty such as coalmining or window washing. You'll be hard pressed to find a feminism who doesn't support this. Breaking gender roles ought to be seen as a beneficial thing.

7. Last but not least, my form of feminism doesn't degrade men. Feminism IS NOT about hating men. I love my father, my brother, my grandfathers, and my significant other. Some of my greatest career influences were men, and I am thankful for them every day of my life. I would never ignore them if they were in need. Wanting women's rights and women's issues to be more of a priority in society is not a zero-sum game with caring for men. Feminism helps men. The world has benefitted from feminism and will continue to benefit from feminism. I'm not in this just for me. I'm in this for everyone.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

1) Most people do fear unsafe situations. This is because PEOPLE are criminals. Women are not special here, grow up.

2) >women still get raped at rates much higher than men.
Bullshit and chips. Go review some prison statistics. No one has EVER said that women deserve rape, you're deliberately confusing comments people make saying that some women make bad choices. Knock it off.

3) >I've only ever called guys creepers if try are doing something that is making me uncomfortable. Instead of getting offended, men should probably be understanding and stop doing whatever is making the woman uncomfortable.

I agree fully. I've only ever called women bitches when they are being irrationally angry. Instead of getting offended maybe they should be understanding and stop doing that.

4) This is all fine, until you remember that men have ZERO reproductive rights in this country. From the moment of conception, the ball is entirely in the woman's court and the man has absolutely no say. If he doesn't want a child and the woman does, the man is forced to pay for it against his wishes. The vasectomy argument holds zero water either, because if the parties are married the courts will force him to pay for his wife's infidelity. And don't you DARE suggest that the man should just keep it in his pants if he does not want a child. Along that logic, if a woman doesn't want a pregnancy she can just keep her legs shut and abortion be damned.

5) You seriously think women's health issues are taboo? SERIOUSLY? Federal breast cancer research funding is TEN TIMES that of prostate cancer and every few months I can't do anything without having enough pink ribbons shoved in my face to shelter an entire third world country. Womens health issues are nowhere near taboo, I don't even know where you're getting this.

6) You may support women in masculine jobs, but you have to be joking if you think the majority of feminists think women should be drilling oil, mining coal, and working sewer maintenance. I had an argument earlier about women in the military wherein my throat was jumped down by a feminist for suggesting women should be required to meet the male physical requirements for military service and should also be required to sign up for the draft.

7) The key phrase is "your form of feminism" Just because you have an opinion of what feminism SHOULD BE SEEN AS doesn't mean reality must conform to that opinion you narcissist. You may as well be saying "My form of the KKK doesn't degrade minorities." The vast number of anti male comments from the feminist movement overshadows this comment and sullies the sincerity a smidgin. Feminism in its current form does NOT care about male wellbeing. It does not help men.

Kev

Will no one think of the poor men!? Even though women are struggling to get to top positions in corporations and fighting sexism and the belief that their work is not as valuable. Women started out at the bottom too, it's just still harder for them to get to the top. That's the point here. And the fact that there aren't more female coal minors has nothing to do with whether or not women deserve top management positions.

Also-men as victims of the court. Boo hoo! I have to pay child support to the woman I walked out on so she can supplement her income which is way less than mine and take care of our kid.

So the fact that some people think abortion is murder means that a woman who is pregnant, alone, and in possession of a high school education means she should have to go through a pregnancy and try to raise a child on her own with a minimum wage job? Great! Then I assume they won't be complaining when their tax dollars go to pay for welfare programs right? Because we love the sweet little babies and want what's best for them.

There have been massive campaigns to defund Planned Parenthood on the argument that they are "killing babies." While they do perform abortions, the majority of their services are related to birth control and important health screenings for things like breast and ovarian cancer.

To the brain-damaged Kingfisher: Don't you DARE suggest that a man blowing his wad in a woman and knocking her up somehow gives him rights to decide whether or not she has to keep the pregnancy. She's the one who has to deal with the physical and emotional toll of carrying the thing for nine months not to mention the rest of the child's life if the sperm donor decides he doesn't want to get involved. This has nothing to do with having sex, it has to do with one gender having to deal with a heavier burden for one of the consequences.

Johnny

Im sorry none of the women had any choice but to keep their legs open to prove they can overcome the Stigma of being "sluts", as per their feminist overlords' decrees that they should.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

I didn't notice that I was replied to directly until now. Allow me to retort.

>So the fact that some people think abortion is murder means...

To your entire paragraph, yes, it means exactly that. It was the woman's decision to open her legs and get knocked up. Two to tango and all that. The state has no obligation to subsidize her poor decision making skills.

>To the brain-damaged Kingfisher: Don't you DARE suggest...

Why not? Why can the woman abdicate her own responsibility to the child in any number of creative ways, but the male has no such right? If the man, as you so eloquently put it, blows his wad inside of a woman and this action results in a pregnancy, he is entirely at the mercy of the woman's decision no matter his personal feelings. If he wishes the child be kept alive and the woman doesn't, tough luck. If he does not want a child and the woman does, even tougher luck because the state will force him to subsidize that decision. There are no opt outs for men, there are several for women.

But then again, asking women to take personal responsibility for their actions is sexist.

Johnny

Guess what. You're NEVER going to change how some really bad people think by making more laws. You can't censor and control male thoughts (or even female thoughts, since lesbians have also been known to say "she was asking for it").

It's not a gender specific problem, so you making it out to be one is both victimizing yourself and avoiding being a mature and rational adult.

It's taboo for both men and women to talk about their sexual organs in public. However, both men and women talk at will about their sexual organs when with the same sex company. In fact, I've seen a lot of "vaginal dryness" commercials since the late 90's. Who are you kidding?

You know what's alarming? That you havent looked at the numbers of domestic violence rates. That when women hit men routinely in comedy shows like "Everybody Loves Raymond", a laugh track accompanies it. If a single slap was dared to be raised against any of the women on that show, I could imagine people like you would be raising a national outcry against domestic violence glorification on T.V. Why the double standard?

DV is almost equal rates for both men and women. Women started to get taken to the can more and more for DV and having the cops called on them. Feminists, seeing the horrifying numbers of almost equal rates of arrest for both male and female, pushed laws through to bring the number of arrests for women back down to "equality", which is where 1 woman is arrested for every 6 men.

You're just another uneducated tart who falls behind the flag that will grab you the most power.

Nookies
Nookies

LOL at all of the angry, unattractive feminists. I love how feminists viciously attack anyone who doesn't 110% agree and bow before feminism. Funny enough, some of the most messed up things I've heard have came from feminists. "all men should be castrated at birth" "all men are rapists" kinda takes that whole "make me a sammich" joke to a whole new level.

"Feminism" is ironically obesessed with imitating men. Whatever a man does, the feminist wants to do, too. Feminists suffer from a massive case of penis envy: economically, culturally, and politically. They idealize and romanticize the exploitative power of elite men, while ignoring poor and working class men. But feminists still need men to build, repair, and deliver everything. Feminists are too LAZY to build their own society and will always rely on men for their standard of living. :)

Feminists only feel oppressed due to their own personal shortcomings and it has nothing to do with the gender as a whole. As in, the rights are not only equal, but they are actually looking for favoritism because they need it to get ahead because they suck so much as an individual, gender aside.

Women want the benefits of being a man without any of the responsibilities.
The gender wage gap is mostly bullshit.

Men get 25% longer prison terms.

Men are given less rights in divorce disputes over child custody.

Men are drafted in times of war to ensure national security.

Boys have their genitals mutilated at birth without letting the child grow to the age of consent to have the procedure done on his own accord.

men experience domestic violence at almost the same rate as women, and are mocked by the media for it.

Men pay 30% more child support.

Men suffer from more health problems and live 5 years less than women, but more money is dumped into women's health care. Sooooo what exactly are you fighting for? It's cannot possibly be equal rights because you already have it. First/Second wave accomplished that.

If any female can name me ONE single right, that men have that women do not, I'll listen, good luck with that thou.


Kate
Kate

2/10

laur

angry unattractive feminists? Again, this is why women need feminism. Feminism has nothing to do with penis envy or imitating men. It has everything to do with the belief that men and women should be treated as intellectual and social equals.
Using "looks" to start your argument automatically points out why men still don't get this concept. You and the author of this piece still believe you have the right to dictate our intelligence and beliefs based on our looks and our procreative functions - how our bodies look in leggings, etc.

Johnny

Agreed. your points are completely sound.

Kev

Lol! I can totally tell from these anonymous images that anyone who doesn't agree with me is ugly and jealous of my two-inch dick.

"Whatever a man does, a feminist wants to do..." More like whatever a man can do, a feminist can also do and she wants to get the same amount of respect and pay as a man does.

The women I worked with in the military were quite capable of building and repairing things on their own. They earned their own livelihoods as women throughout the world have been doing for a long time, despite your false portrayal of them all being hateful schemers who need a man to provide them with everything.

Oh dear, some horrible women said "all men should be castrated at birth" or "all men are rapists." So they speak for all feminists? Very well, then men I've overheard saying a rape victim "deserved what she got" or another who said a woman't place was on her knees in front of his dick are now representative of all mankind by your reasoning.

Speaking of personal shortcomings, yours seems to be a massive chip on the shoulder when it comes to women and a tendency to make gross generalizations when trying to make a point.

Mr_Mister

Zach's piece was rather tame in my opinion. You myopic feminists ought to get out of your bubble and see nature and reality for what it is. Look at what happens to countries where women choose career and "independence" over their traditional duties of motherhood and family. The fertility rate plummets below replacement level. Countries in Scandinavia where feminist culture is much stronger are literally vanishing off the face of the planet because women are Soooooo independent that they think it's beneath them to have kids and tend to a family. This is happening across Europe in general, Japan and replacement rate of native born Americans is now below replacement level which means these societies are not socially or economically sustainable. Great work feminist! You may get your equality, but the very society that gave you that equality may cease to exist because you guys stopped having kids in order to challenge men in the workplace.

Why do you think there's an epidemic of women that have aged themselves out of the marriage market and have to resort to nonsense like freezing their eggs? Nature didn't intend women to be having kids at age 35. 90% of a woman's eggs are gone by age 30. Think about that as you push marriage and family aside for career. By the time you are ready for kids, it will be too late and men will always choose a younger woman over some aging spinster at the boundary of her reproductive years. Many of you feminists will end up lonely with nothing but work and your apartment full of cats to look forward to. Here is the future of you feminists: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1383689/With-unsparing-honesty-woman-lays-bare-regret-having-children.html

Another thing you feminists need to acknowledge is that this world was built on the backs and ingenuity of men. Women don't launch successful fortune 500 corporation that employ tens of thousands of people. It's men who create almost all of the jobs. Women compete with men for jobs but they don't create any. It's men who created this technology we're now using, it's men who laid the bricks in the buildings you work and sleep in, it's men who pave the roads in the hot sun, build the infrastructure, defend this nation from invasion. Men create and sustain civilization. Women cannot compete with male ingenuity any more than they can complete with male athletes. There's a reason that almost all the Nobel prize winners in sciences are men. Are you going to claim that the Nobel prize committee discriminates against women?? Nature created men to build and dominate. And there's nothing you can do about that. You think that's sexist? Well guess what? Nature itself is sexist. Women need men for civilization far more than men need women.

To Zach, great piece man. Keep 'em coming. I'm glad you've freed yourself of politically correct, feminized thinking. You are an unapologetic man and many men support you from the sidelines. Good job, brother!

mls312

Mr. Mister (Troll),

This is from a CNN article that addresses many of the issues you mention above. "The varying European experiences show that the highest birthrates exist in the countries with the highest rates of working women. It is, therefore, in society's interest to support working motherhood, which requires considerable public investment. Generous leave is not, by itself, an incentive. To raise more than one child, a mother must have access to high-quality, full-day child care, but that is still not enough. Income equality, flexible work hours and partners sharing family-related tasks -- these are the essential components that will allow women to be mothers without forgoing their other aspirations. Tellingly, these are the rallying causes of traditional feminism, more pressing and relevant than ever. It turns out that profound feminist reform, in the workplace and in family policies, might just be what is needed to keep the birthrate from free fall."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/15/opinion/badinter-birthrate

Also, I would just like to point out the blatant ignorance in the last paragraph of your comment. To echo your phrasing, something YOU need to acknowledge is the fact that traditional gender roles that were/are still in place are the reason why men did "all the work" you describe. The notion that women are less creative, less capable, possess less ingenuity, or are basically less intelligent (which is essentially what you are saying) is based on some 19th century, bogus, sexist research that has been debunked over and over again. There are fewer female Nobel prize winners in science because there are fewer women in STEM fields, so it is statistically less likely that they would win in the first place. Thereare fewer women in those fields because there is less encouragement and support for women to enter them, and because when they do, they are more likely to experience stereotype threat, the imposter phenomenon, and to be seen as incapable. And if they decide to start a family, they a more likely to be stalled in their career, which can result in slower progress and less of it.

The fact that you don't see this is both laughable and frightening. Welcome to 2013. I hope you can find your way around all right.

Mr_Mister

Women have to be "encouraged" to go into STEM fields? Why? Certainly they know these fields exists. So why do they prefer to study Humanities when they could sign up for a Mechanical Engineering program? Is that the fault of men too?

As for your CNN article, you actually support my point:

"In this situation, where a high number of mothers are able to stay at home but the birthrate remains exceptionally low, the message is clear: Women do not want policies that serve only to support mothers in their family life. ***For women to want children, they require policies that support the full range of their needs and roles and ambitions -- maternal, financial, professional.***"

So basically the only way women are going to have kids is if the government gets involved and gives them money. They want the government involved in socially engineering families in a way that doesn't interfere with her personal ambitions.

The fact is, women CANNOT have it all. It's okay to get an education and work, but work should not be more important to a woman than family. That is a complete departure from what it even means to be a woman. Feminism seeks to deconstruct the feminine and turn women into men. Nature didn't intend it that way. You cannot have a good family life and pursue career ambitions with zeal. It simply doesn't work. Women need to understand that and know that they will be forced to choose to some extent.

Johnny

And men could be the same way. Stay at home guys who raise the children. but feminists hate that idea, don't they.

you're perfectly right about the "government support" in order for a woman to have "education,career, AND family". Men never got that. They worked at a career to support child and woman. Now that women can work, they demand extra incentives to go into fields, despite not choosing to go in those fields by their own choice, and money to propagate while having a career.

mls312

Oookay, then. I am not sure what feminists you guys have spoken with, but this one has absolutely no problem with stay-at-home dads or moms. And I do not expect the government to give me "extra incentives" for working and raising a family at the same time. But I am willing to put my tax money toward programs to help single moms and dads who are working and need some extra assistance. I am also in favor of catching up with the rest of the industrialized world and implementing paid maternity AND paternity leave that is longer than two weeks. I am in favor of it because I think it would help American families, not because I think women should stop having kids and work. (Are you really serious with that one? Come ON.)

As for your question about STEM fields, historically, girls are statistically less likely to be guided toward science as a career, and are more likely to enter into "caring" professions (and the opposite is true for boys) for a multitude of reasons. Gender socialization and traditional attitudes are a big part of it. It's also more likely for women to experience resistance, stereotype threat, sexual harassment, and other things that contribute to workplace dissatisfaction when they are in a traditionally male-dominated field, and that can deter them from staying in it. (While it does happen, this is is much less likely for men in stereotypically female careers. We don't doubt men's ability to be elementry school teachers.) I could go on but there is only so much a person can communicate in a comment sections with people who will likely disagree no matter what.

All in all, feminists who are "angry man haters" are few and far between. I really pity you if you think we are all in that category, because it is just incredibly inaccurate. The reason that we still need feminism is because you think you have a right to tell me how to live my life, based on my reproductive parts. Get over yourself.

Kev

Yes, men create and sustain civilization because they can give birth to...oh wait, no they can't.

So women have a traditional role to be wives and mothers, eh? So what happens when the husband or father of the child leaves? I'll tell you, the woman goes and gets a job so she can support the child because if she didn't they would live on the street. And in the case of the particular woman I'm talking about, she works as a reporter, gets hired the same time as another male with her same experience level and finds out through talking to him that she is, in fact, getting paid less than him. There is no reason for this. Journalism is not a physically demanding job. Many of the fields in which women work and are paid less don't have this seemingly convenient excuse.

The world has over seven billion people in it. We are hardly on the verge of dying out.

If feminist don't want to have a bunch of children because it might mean getting trapped in a home with no financial independence with an abusive asshole like you, then I really can't blame them. I also know that this isn't happening and that despite your uniformed declaration that women can't have a career and a family, they can and do.

Mr_Mister

Yep, the only necessary role women have an have ever had in sustaining civilization is having babies and caring for the family. Beyond that, they are simply not needed in the workplace. How did the world go on for thousands of years without women CEOs? Did we need them? I'm not saying women can't work or women can't have powerful jobs, what I'm saying is that our civilization isn't dependent on women being in those roles. As I pointed out before, men create almost all the jobs in the world. They create almost all the technology and innovation and the greatest arts and architecture and are the greatest soldiers defending the nation. It's men exploring the farthest reaches of space and the depths of the ocean. All these things would still happen regardless if women were involved. But you do not see women doing these things on their own without male help. Women compete with men for jobs, but they don't create any. No matter what women do, men can do it way better. The only thing men can't do better than women is have kids and nurture a family. That's a fact. All this relentless pursuit of career satisfaction will end up doing is producing a generation of women who have no aged themselves out of the marriage market and will never have any kids of their own. I'll take the Leave it to Beaver model over the Sex in the City model any day when it comes to function and perpetuation of society.

Johnny

the article never said women should shut up, but I will. If you want those high paying jobs, work and sacrifice for it. If you HONESTLY work and slave away to the same degree as "men" in your field, and come away with a truly inferior paycheck and/or no job, Then you have an argument.

Don't blame men and inequality for the fact that women choose english/lit/art studies more regularly than engineering and science.

Who's CHOICE is it? The individual? You're FREE to CHOOSE whatever you want to do. Stop blaming others and do something for yourself. Are you a child or incapable of being an adult?

awesomenebula

I should let you know, before you start freaking out about it, that even though I am pro-gender equality (which is the definition of feminism) I will be the first to admit the wage gap is more than overstated. However, women are still looked as as stupider (to put it crudely), and less ambitious, which is where many feminists see a problem.
Argueing about gender equality using the argument of the wage gap is irrelevant at best, considering that most of those statistics look at women's and men's earnings regardless of the jobs they are doing. BUT the thing is, studies like these show why women are less likely to choose a STEM field. I mean, honestly, the prospective of slaving away for HOURS studying and then having to face the additional obstacle of having to prove that your genitals DO NOT impair your intellect is a daunting prospect for any gender.
Yes, as humans we are free to choose what we want to do, but what happens when you're given those extra, sometimes insurmountables obstacles that are people's personal biases? I urge you to look at it from the perspective of a women who, though willing to go through this to pursue her dream, is faced with daily discrimination and putdowns due to her gender. And before you say anything, there is a difference between life not being fair, and people not being fair.

An article about a study done recently about the overt biases women face in STEM fields:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/science/bias-persists-against-women-of-science-a-study-says.html?_r=0

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

>I should let you know, before you start freaking out about it, that even though I am pro-gender equality (which is the definition of feminism)

No, it isn't Pro gender equality is the definition of gender egalitarianism. Feminism is very much like Christianity in that there are countless definitions amounting to "whatever this person over here wants to call it,"

>However, women are still looked as as stupider (to put it crudely), and less ambitious, which is where many feminists see a problem.

Find me one instance of this being true. I can turn on nearly any sitcom these days and have exactly what you describe play out, save for the genders being absolutely reversed. If a precious woman were to appear on a sitcom in a negative light, there would be lynchings.

>Argueing about gender equality using the argument of the wage gap is irrelevant at best, considering that most of those statistics look at women's and men's earnings regardless of the jobs they are doing.

Agreed entirely, so why are leading feminists still reporting that the wage gap exists? When they stop lying to us, we'll stop complaining about the false figure.

>BUT the thing is, studies like these show why women are less likely to choose a STEM field. I mean, honestly, the prospective of slaving away for HOURS studying and then having to face the additional obstacle of having to prove that your genitals DO NOT impair your intellect is a daunting prospect for any gender.

I'm not following your logic. Women being less likely to enter STEM is shown by wage gap studies? No one in STEM fields cares about anything but your mental acuity. It could be just as easily explained by women not feeling the need to put in the hard work because they can be taken care of near effortlessly, or any other number of things.

>Yes, as humans we are free to choose what we want to do, but what happens when you're given those extra, sometimes insurmountables obstacles that are people's personal biases?

Like the insurmountable obstacles faced by asian immigrants throughout the 1900s? Gosh, you're right, asian americans must feel just as marginalized as women.

>I urge you to look at it from the perspective of a women who, though willing to go through this to pursue her dream, is faced with daily discrimination and putdowns due to her gender.

Fine, I'll look through the eyes of a gender put on a pedestal for their entire lives, and you look from the perspective of a man who must go through daily discrimination and putdowns based on gender, many of which are shown in this very comment page. "He thinks feminism is bad? I bet he just can't get laid."

>An article about a study done recently about the overt biases women face in STEM fields:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/science/bias-persists-against-women-of-science-a-study-says.html?_r=0

A sample size of 127 with a slight difference in averages does not an overt bias make. Try harder.

Francis Begbie

Mate, you've stirred up the hornets nest, and you've done a great job at it. Seriously, I'm walking around a politically correct campus, surrounded by all of these fucking harpies, and I want to do what you've done for quite a bit, perhaps maybe now lol... Feminists with their simple fat addled brains not being able to comprehend that men are attracted to looks women are attracted to status, money, social prowess and strength.

Don't apologize, or take back what you said. Also, there are a few blogs out there that you should check out. The Misandry Bubble article by The Futurist, Chateau Heartiste (pre 2009 though) Rollo, Roosh V and his forum, which has a thread about yous right now. Either way, these dimple faced Moby Dicks have jack shit going on. You're on the right track with this. Great read en aw.

Francis Begbie

Jesus fuck mate, you've really stirred the hornet's nest here. You've done basically, what I've always wanted to do. You are absolutely right, the dimple faced cunts insulting you are not. They just cannot accept that men are attracted to looks, and men have a shelf life beyond 30. That jezebel writer cannot accept that all she can do in life is attract girly, effeminate white knight types.

Don't apologize. You're on the right track. I recommend you read The Misandry Bubble, Roissy, Rollo (type these into google) Roosh V and Roosh V forum, Captain Capitalism. These guys have the same train of thought that you do. Support you bro, and moreso, you've inspired me to do a bit of feminist trolling on my own campus. Take it easy and keep writing.

Francis Begbie

Jesus fuck mate, you've really stirred the hornet's nest here. You've done basically, what I've always wanted to do. You are absolutely right, the dimple faced cunts insulting you are not. They just cannot accept that men are attracted to looks, and men have a shelf life beyond 30. That jezebel writer cannot accept that all she can do in life is attract girly, effeminate white knight types.

Don't apologize. You're on the right track. I recommend you read The Misandry Bubble, Roissy, Rollo (type these into google) Roosh V and Roosh V forum, Captain Capitalism. These guys have the same train of thought that you do. Support you bro, and moreso, you've inspired me to do a bit of feminist trolling on my own campus. Take it easy and keep writing.

Francis Begbie

Jesus fuck mate, you've really stirred the hornet's nest here. You've done basically, what I've always wanted to do. You are absolutely right, the dimple faced cunts insulting you are not. They just cannot accept that men are attracted to looks, and men have a shelf life beyond 30. That jezebel writer cannot accept that all she can do in life is attract girly, effeminate white knight types.

Don't apologize. You're on the right track. I recommend you read The Misandry Bubble, Roissy, Rollo (type these into google) Roosh V and Roosh V forum, Captain Capitalism. These guys have the same train of thought that you do. Support you bro, and moreso, you've inspired me to do a bit of feminist trolling on my own campus. Take it easy and keep writing.

Johnny

man, don't spam at least. You'll look as bad as them. [beam]

mls312

Some research findings on gender and education.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/02/21/new-book-explains-why-women-outpace-men-education

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-kimmel/lets-talk-boys_b_2645801.html

olive

Zach,

I sat next to you two years ago at Selleck Dining Hall. Not only did you refuse to be a decent human being by introducing yourself as Zach Nold, you decided to declare women as "fire-breathing dragons." I didn't care so much for what you had to say then nor do I care for anything you have to say now. Your former brothers from Kappa Sigma even looked at you with a little confusion after you made this statement. It's pretty apparent that you've had a complex for women far longer than anyone could guess.

"The notion that women should be protected, and have the door held open for them will always be something this writer places value on..." is largely the dumbest thing I've ever read. You couldn't even communicate with one after she sat next to you. From one writer to another, stop writing.

Days of Broken Arrows

"I sat next to you two years ago at Selleck Dining Hall."

Oh yeah? Well I bumped into him in 2008 in 7-Eleven and I'm, like, totally against his flavor of Slurpee!!

Kidding, of course. Why don't we stop with the personal attacks already? Isn't that what the left said when Bill Clinton got attacked for his extra-curricular activities?

Hercules

What do you want to bet he has no clue who you are. LOL. I bet this has been tearing you up for the full 2 years all because he wouldn't say "Hi" to you, now you got your chance to get him back. How do you feel?

I love pointless statements like "far longer than anyone could guess" - put down the romance novels.

celia74

I am not sure what Mr. Nold's post-graduation plans are, but I am astounded that, in spite of knowing so much of the growth of women in the job market, he seems blithely unaware that any hiring committee which includes a woman who has access to google will most likely refuse to extend an offer to anyone who would write such dribble. And, if not this piece, then certainly Mr. Nold's penchant for sexualizing women's clothing choices -- and his particular fetish for leggings -- will ensure a spot back in his childhood bedroom next year. http://admin.collegepublisher.com/preview/mobile/2.3308/2.3912 /1.2433629

The University of Nebraska has an excellent English department; I am surprised they would confer a degree on someone who has demonstrated no capacity for nuanced or critical thinking and instead prefers making completely baseless and sweeping generalizations about "society" and "relationships." It also has an equally esteemed Women's and Gender Studies program, and it is glaringly apparent Mr. Nold has clearly never studied feminism in any of its complicated historical or cultural iterations. English majors generally do not make pronouncements on the state of molecular physics or 18th century political theory; I would suggest that Mr. Nold maintain a healthy distance from feminism, as he only reveals that he is woefully ignorant of it.

Mr_Mister

You talk like a man. You sound like a woman devoid of any sense of femininity.

Rather than than actually address anything he has said, you only retort with threats to his future employment prospects.

And what's wrong with sexualizing women's clothing choices? Do you deny that there's anything such as sexy clothing? You talk like an unemotional robot devoid of any humanity or feminine charm. I pity any guy that would get entangled with someone like you.

celia74

And I pity your hand, which is clearly the only romantic partner in your life.

celia74

Additionally, there is nothing worth critiquing in this piece when it comes to his views of feminism because he has not addressed any feminist theory or political activity at all. All he has done is cite some statistics and then borderline-plagiarize Suzanne Venker, who, despite being a woman, is not a feminist (you do see the difference, right?).

So if Mr. Nold had actually taken the time to do his homework and explain how he was working against someone like bell hooks, Jessica Valenti, Rebecca Walker, Jennifer Baumgardner, Latoya Peterson, Michael Kimmel, Stephanie Coontz, Paul Kivel, Melissa Harris-Perry, Tim Dean, Susan Stryker or anyone else who has contributed to feminist and LGBTQ discourse within the past decade then, yes, I think this piece would be worth discussing. But it doesn't, most likely because he wrote when he was drunk with his frat bros at 2am. This piece demonstrates little effort or creativity and therefore, I can't imagine his employment prospects will be that great.

Kev

Derp! I can't make any reasonable argument so I'm going to start attacking Celia's femininity for not being up to my male standards of what it should be.

She makes an excellent point. Future employers will probably look into Zac's background and take drivel like this piece into consideration.

If we are going to define what people "sound like" from their posts then I would say that you "sound like" a mewling MRA who likes to attend meetings with fellow woman-haters that end in mutual masturbation and discussions about the dreaded "estrogen menace."

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

right on Kev, [beam]

Hercules

Can't remember how many times I've had to answer yes to the "have you ever written an article for the student newspaper" question when applying for jobs.

Bring up crap like this is nothing more than a scare tactic to inhibit future articles. Quite lame.

Johnny

I'd hire him. what's your point?

celia74

Additionally, the science is against you. Feminism actually helps modern day relationships: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015102856.htm

keyes

Don't worry guys...if the job market ever picks up, you can always do manual labor. Stuff will need to get built. There will be no shortage of people to push buttons! We have enough of them already. Just don't enter any contracts where you entitle the other person to half of everything you have earned. "Take what you can-give nothing back!" -Jack Sparrow

aelor753

Mr. Nold's opening sentence states: "Feminism has met its goals and women are now equal with men as they should be." His proof of this generalization is the experience of collegiate educated, American women, in their 20s (the ones ruining relationships on campus). Please stop and consider that feminism is not a movement that is limited to the experiences and situation of mostly white, middle class, women who have gone to college. Feminism is a global phenomenon that seeks to represent women from all experiences, walks of life, nationalities, and economic status. Perhaps if he were to visit the Third World or expand his horizons to consider women in places other than middle America, Mr. Nold would not find it so easy to make these generalizations. The successes the feminist movement has brought to women in America and in western countries are by no means global and universal. Consider for example women from more patriarchal societies who are discouraged and even forbidden from attending college solely because of their sex. I personally have female friends who, here in the United States, faced the challenge of overcoming sexism rooted in their culture which tried to prevent them from attaining a college education. Their male siblings and relatives faced no such challenge and were encouraged to become doctors and lawyers, while the mere though of the women in their family doing the same was seen as outrageous and out of the question. The main problem with Mr. Nold's opening assumption, in my opinion, is the fact that he seems to think college enrollment statistics in the US and the increasing presence of women in the business world are sufficient criteria for declaring feminism obsolete for all women everywhere. This is simply not true, and frankly, its ignorant and insulting. To Zach Nold, and all those who are expressing support and admiration of this article: Please take a few minutes to learn about how the majority of the women on planet earth (aka those who did NOT go to college in America) experience life.

Hercules

The article seems to be referencing life in America. To try and apply it to the rest of the world would be nonsensical.

Biff

Wait, wait, wait... I'm getting mixed messages here. Many of the commenters (trolls?) who support Zack essentially claim that:

a) Women are whiny entitled Princesses who rely on men to take care of them while they sit around spitting babies out of their vaginas.

AND:

b) Women should stop competing with men in the job market and stay at home and spit babies out of their vaginas because that is all that they are good for (all that they are "programmed" to do), while their husbands go to work and make all the money and support them (oh, and if you get divorced, don't expect a damn cent, ladies...).

Interesting.

I also find it confusing that these same commenters resort to claiming things like women are only valuable for their looks, that they are emotional and eternally immature, that they are shallow "harpies" who take men for all that they are worth -- and THEN claim that we do not need feminism in our culture anymore.

Interesting.

Johnny

you're either illiterate or schizophrenic. Noone voiced those opinions.

Whatonearth
Whatonearth

Wrong... read anything that that commenter "TeeDub" has written:

"If she [Lindy West] was attractive, she wouldn't feel the need to be argumentative and 'snarky'. Attractive women are never feminists. They may say they are, but in reality they aren't. See: Scarlet Johannson.
Part of feminism's appeal to unattractive women is its use as a sexual tool, to shame men for not finding them attractive. See: The feminist-led pro-fat movement.."

Hercules

Which does not come close to anything Biff stated. Congrats on figuring out the copy and paste. [thumbup]

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

oh yes Hercules pos, it takes alot for use women to figure out copy and past because we are so stupid...

Biff

A) From Days of Broken Arrows: "You mean the gains GIVEN to women by men in power so they could double the labor pool and reduce everyone's wages".

From Francis Begbie: "...women are attracted to status, money, social prowess and strength".

From you, Johnny: "have no expensive toys? Husband, go buy me this".

AND:

B) From womanlover "On that same token, gender roles are important. They help society function whether you like it or not. Sorry, but your bodies are programmed to care for children. You can either accept that or think of yourself as a victim."

From Teedub: "Women by nature are less logical than men, and more emotional. Hence why they make better nurturers. Traditional gender roles and a nuclear two parent heterosexual family is superior to all the new 'progressive' familial types for raising children".

So -- stay at home then, ladies? No wait, don't stay at home, because then your husband has to buy your stuff for you...?

Just pointing out some contradictions here.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

This just in, anyone with an opinion diametrically opposed to yours is trolling.

Grow up. Seriously.

Biff


I think it is possible to have a diametrically opposed opinion without being a troll. But...

From Begbie (probably appropriate that he is named after a psychopath from a film): "You are absolutely right, the dimple faced cunts insulting you are not".

Also from Teedub: "Attractive women are never feminists".

From AntiFat: "Typical, of women to overreact. Please work on not being so emotional all the time. Get your feelings in check so you can function like a productive piece of society instead of crying into your ice cream every night".

All sounds pretty troll-y to me.

Johnny

strippers and hooters girls never cry about being oppressed.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

And I could cherry pick any number of terrible posts from your side of the argument and use them to paint your entire side as trolls too. What, pray tell, is your point?

knowles

I am alarmed to see that you are an English major, as your article is very poorly written. Watch your passive voice. Your grammar is not good.
You are plainly incorrect. Is not your country actually having to PASS LEGISLATION to ensure that women and men receive equal pay in the same jobs? If I'm not mistaken, this major indicator of equality not yet existing immediately disqualify the thesis of your article, that feminism has achieved what it set out to. Do you know what feminism is? At its core, feminism is about men and women having equal rights.
What a cretin you are, sir.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

And I'm alarmed to see you attacking English when you fail at the basics of reading comprehension.

Either address his argument or stop trying to mask your own lack of one against with histrionic rhetorics.

Ayn Rand
Ayn Rand

Oh man, the Zach Nold Defense Squad is a bit late to the party

Johnny

not really. We've been here the whole time, except we use valid sources of evidence and works instead of name calling and disdain and belittling tactics to try to get our point across.

unlbigred

Look, from what I understand, there's much more going on here than simple misogyny. I've been speaking with a few friends who share/have shared classes with Zach. They claim Zach has severe social anxiety issues and [coming from a senior psychology major] probably other issues which are not currently being addressed by medical professionals. One of my friends was actually afraid of him and went to someone in the administration with her concerns. So while the views expressed in article are vicious and upsetting, if Zach is indeed mentally ill, I have trouble holding him accountable. (I do, however, hold the dailynebraskan accountable; a newspaper should really know better.) That being said, I hope Zach gets the help he needs and this doesn't follow him into adulthood.

Days of Broken Arrows

This is what they used to do in the old Soviet Union and in the McCarthy Era: declare someone as mentally ill because they have a different or unpopular viewpoint.

Out of all the comments, this takes the cake for the lowest and verges on libel (or it may just be libel).

Calling out someone as mentally ill or "dangerous" when you don't agree is a dangerous game. When the other side gets into power, you've opened the door for them to use this tactic.

Johnny

Oh good, a bunch of girls who think they know psychology because they've had one semester trying to label a guy, when one of them "ran to the administration because she was afraid of him". He's not violent, and he's not mean. I can only conclude that this is a normal case of the histrionic clique getting their jollies with him as a tool in their games for excitement and attention.

Johnny

these behaviors are what make males feel contempt for females.

Mr_Mister

Rather than address the issues, you attack his sanity. Your viewpoint is worthless.

Hercules

I hope this chick is getting seen by medical professionals. Which parts are "vicious and upsetting" to you?

Dixon

You seem to be of low intelligence. Instead of smearing a guy by making up your imaginary friends and giving unsolicited psychological evaluations, why not remain quiet or try thinking for once in your life?

KennyGGAllin

Yes, feminism is the reason this dude can't have successful relationships and get jobs. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

Thank you for the shaming tactics. Now if you're done, the adults are talking.

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

it seems like allot of men jump to blaming Feminist for their failed relationships, and it is funny.

Johnny

okay then, let's not blame feminists, instead lets blame you personally. I mean, in all relationships the woman is usually told shes never wrong and has to do whats right for her, while if the relationship is going bad the man should be trying harder.

That's a one way street. I'm willing to not blame feminism if you will take equal shares of blame.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

Sentences start with capitalization, "a lot" is two words with only one L, feminist is not a proper noun and is not capitalized and the serial comma is a terrible decision.

I'd say we should use these as reasons to not give your post any consideration, but seeing as how it is a sweeping generalization shaming tactic, you've already given us the go ahead to do just that anyway.

This is stupid of a higher order.

broncos2729
broncos2729

I seriously question if the majority of people commenting here actually read the article without preconceived notions. Everything is SCREAMING sexis and bigot. The author is saying he believes women are equal, but the feminist movement had its day.

btw whining about the grammatical errors is pointless.

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

English major.....lol

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

You know what? No. I'm not letting you play this game.

Since you seem so dead set on using his errors of language as a platform to avoid addressing his points, I'm going to comb through EVERY SINGLE POST you have made. I am going to point out every shortcoming you have made over the past few days.

Johnny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=hLJHR0MpKos&feature=endscreen

National Post Columnist Barbara Kay, who writes frequently on gender and culture, will discuss a variety of topics related to misandry, defined as contempt for men. The event will touch on areas like the boys crises that has seen boys left behind in our educational system, violence against women and men where policy calls often rely on misleading statistics, the often explosive issues surrounding gender in the workplace, and especially a failed family court system that systematically discriminates against fathers. Kay will comment on her impressions of cultural, social and academic forces of misandry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNc-v42sfvw

Published on Dec 16, 2012

Violent and disruptive feminist attempted to stop people from entering a presentation and speech by Dr. Warren Farrell. 11-16-12

Johnny

Take it from me, Zack. Your intentions are good. You recognize that things could better, and that this gender war is something that's harmful and damaging to everyone. They won't see that. No need to worry about the truth. Anyone who condemns the argument is someone who's opinion you shouldn't care about. They're the real losers. Single women who end up with 2 kids after 50 different men from bars who, when they're ready to "settle down", then turn to people like you "the fair and nice type", for that stable late term life marriage, because you did more with your life and can support them. Don't for a second fall for that trap. You can afford better quality later in life when you become a success.

HailfellowWellmet

White, heterosexual, cis-gendered male privilege check:

http://bit.ly/YrR3uP

Dixon

Most people agree with this guy or think he is still being too liberal. Even at a university, which is going to be full of feminist zealots who love the sound of their own verbal diarrhea, you can only get a handful of people to express a view against the article and even a majority of these are stereotypical disgruntled fat and/or ugly girls and their chubby effeminate male hangers-on.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

While I agree with you, let's not play their shaming tactics. We are above that.

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

oh because all feminist are fat ugly girls, because pretty girls don't need a brain , the truth is most people Don't agree with this guy. you wish they did but the fact is they don't. Take it from a girl who paid for college by modeling not all feminist are fat ugly girls in fact most of the are very beautiful strong women.

Hercules

Pics or gtfo. Lane Bryant catalog doesn't count as modeling.

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

i'm not fat! the most I've ever weighted was 173 while i was pregnant ,https://twitter.com/Hottest_Nerd/status/305987028267458560/photo/1

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

"These multiple color saturations will definitely show the world how hip and nerdy I am."

Andy
Andy

*snort* I haven't seen so many male virgins babbling in one place since that one time I wandered in a Star Trek convention by mistake.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

Thank you for your intellectual brevity.

Johnny

again, reducing women to the access of a vagina, by implying that said people are virgins. Who's side are you on?

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

Reducto ad vaginum?

cyijker22

Good on you, Zach, for writing this article. Political correctness runs the world, especially on the campus, and it takes serious cojones to write an article which, rightly, if I may add, castigates feminism.

Western men are fair minded and egalitarian. For the last 40 years, feminism has taken advantage of that and run rough-shod over men's and children's rights and liberties, all the while increasing their own.

Western women have, through feminism, increased their liberties to the extent that they can do no wrong in the eyes of society, while they label any man who is not the alphaest of alphas "CREEPY".

Approach a woman and she doesn't like your look? Not confident enough? Bought her flowers? CREEP CREEP CREEP.

She's been pumped and dumped for the last 20 years and now wants a sucker to take over but you don't want to foot the bills for her past, you're a creep.

You have actual standards and don't want to be with a woman who doesn't meet them? Congrats, you're CREEPY.

There's reams of data showing that children of divorce and single parenthood fare worse? Shout it down. The children don't matter.

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

i bet you didn't know that feminist also fight to have women treat equal in the eyes of the law, in fact in many cases feminist have come out and asked for harder sentences because society seems to go lightly on women, for example many of the cases where female teacher have had relationships with their underage students the feminist community put together petitions to push for more action. but of course you blame feminists for all your failed relationships..

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

>in many cases feminist have come out and asked for harder sentences because society seems to go lightly on women.

Name one. I'll wait. If you can post one link to ONE INSTANCE of this happening I will be amazed.

>but of course you blame feminists for all your failed relationships..

So you're bitching that he's making broad sweeping generalizations about feminism, but you in turn feel you can make a broad sweeping generalization about his relationships?

Your shaming tactics are bad and you should feel bad.

Johnny

Excellent. Sound logic, and I agree.

Iriri

This short bit of writing encapsulates the female position on the subject of 'creepiness' better than I could.

http://arletterocks.tumblr.com/post/26452521377/on-creepiness

In short, when women are the subject of unwelcome male attention that they really have no approved way of fighting back against, the word 'creepy' is sometimes necessary to defend themselves.

Johnny

on the contrary, it is an aggressively used and deployed weapon. Not a weapon used simply to ward off unwanted advances. It's used as covert bullying.

IDon'tgoToUni

There are a number of logic holes that I don't think anyone has bothered to address.

"No longer do people need to be risk takers, strong and resilient to survive in the world."

If women are competing with men, then there is over double the amount of competition on the playing field. People do need to be risk takers, as well as strong and resilient, because they face more competition.

"The advancement of feminism past the point we’re at now poses dire consequences for women. Men have begun to adopt a habit where they are no longer being held to a higher standard, so they can slum it in college receiving C’s, while women would kill for an A. Don’t get me wrong; the blame shouldn’t be placed on women, as it isn’t their fault that men chose to only half-ass it in school. The grade difference may come from women wanting to prove themselves in a “men’s” world, whereas men may become complacent."

Given that there are an increased number of people in the marketplace competing for jobs due to greater numbers of women in the workforce, the competition is greater. If women are competing to prove themselves in a 'man's world' (which the author doesn't really give any evidence for), it is hardly their fault that men are complacent. If anything, men should be more competitive, because they face greater competition. If men are complacent because the expect the same amount of competition in the marketplace as there was before women entered the workforce (which I don't think is true), then I would argue that this is hardly the fault of feminism, and more caused by a massive sense of entitlement. If men and women are equals, women should not have to cater to the fact that the career expectations of men are unrealistic (which, again, I don't think is necessarily true; I'm using the author's assumptions).

"The fact is women have become so independent and focused on their work many have forgotten how to have a relationship based on mutual understanding and cooperation. Instead, it has become a competition, and feminism has turned relationships into a competition of equality as well."

Is it only women's responsibility to focus on relationships? Given this logic, men would never need to foster relationships on mutual understanding and cooperation, because men have historically been independent and career oriented. I would argue that it's the responsibility of both people in a relationship, regardless of gender, but that's just me. If the author is arguing that women are the cause of the breakdown in long term relationships because they can no longer foster the sole responsibility of making a long term relationship work, than women aren't really equal to men, because they are expected to perform additional work in romantic relationships that men aren't.

"In our case, valuing the other sex as equals because they can provide traits you can’t, and vice versa."

You could make this argument about two people in a relationship, regardless of gender. Based on the holes in the previous arguments that all center around gender, I think the author fails to convincingly argue that his perceived problems with feminism are the problem with modern relationship.

Jesus kid. You're in college. If you're going to write something intentionally inflammatory, get your logic right. What do you think an English degree is for?

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

[smile]IDon'tgoToUni i like how you broke down this article

IDon'tgoToUni

Having a graduate degree helps. But then again, I'm a lady, so I would have one of those :D.

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

[beam] oh no a smart women! lol

Dwall
Dwall

I'm sitting here thinking why this article was even written in the first place. I would like to think that this kid isn't a complete idiot, but I think he is. This is probably the most ignorant, logically vacant article I've wasted my time reading in years.

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

keyword kid. He' clearly young, and lacks life experience. i would not call him an idiot, but ignorant dose fit, hopeful he won't listen to all the crazy old lonely men who have read this and thought "way to go, woman suck because they don't make me a sandwich when i demand it and this kid makes good sounding points".

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

Keyword should be capitalized. Where he is lacking life experience, you are lacking an s after "he'." Ignorant may fit, but "dose" is a measurement of quantity in the fields of nutrition, medicine, and toxicology. You are looking for does, as in "this post DOES make you look like a tool." Your tense on hopeful is incorrect.

I can't imagine a context in which this wouldn't be stupid.

claire

" 4.) Be Nice. No racism, sexism or any sort of -ism that is degrading to another person."

Very interesting, considering most of Nold's bullshit seems to be degrading to some population, whether that be the opposite gender or race. (His 'Leggings' article was particularly enlightening.)

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

1) Please avoid obscene, vulgar, lewd, racist or sexually-oriented language.

If you're going to try to cite the rules, try to follow them yourself, you tool.

JennaLothrop

It's a shame that this article gathered even limited national attention. Just enough to attract argument-thirsty trolls to the board. It appears that somehow a bunch of Zach supporters have just emerged from the woodwork, when in all reality- 90% of them are just talking out of their ass for the sake of being an asshat ...*sigh*.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

"This guy has an opinion contrary to my own. Anyone agreeing with him is clearly only trying to stir the hornets nest. No one could seriously be disagreeing with me. My opinions are perfect."

You sound like a women's studies student.

JennaLothrop

The same five or six people flooding the forum spurring arguments with the majority about a topic that is common sense....the 'feminist movement' is far from having reached its ultimate goal (to make women relevant in society, encourage independence among females, and to make women feel safe and secure in today's world). It's asinine to assume otherwise. And the mark of trolls is to take social and moral norms and blow them to bits to elicit an emotional response....which is exactly what is happening.

It's not even something that should have to be argued. Facts are facts, and facts show that women still aren't considered in many MANY situations to be equal to our male counterparts. That isn't crazy or without research to back it up. It's the truth, and you can deny all you want- but it won't change the reality. It's unfortunate that people think that just because it's 2013 that we don't have to continue to work on our society's social problems. It's also unfortunate that dissenters to this opinion are too cowardly to post their names on the forum. Is it because you'd be embarrassed if your mother, sister, girlfriend or female friend saw your misguided opinion? I think so.

And yes, Amanda. Several national news sites have picked up the article and dissected it as well as the comments that the article has received :/

Hercules

To whom does the job of making women feel "safe and secure in today's world" belong to? That is one of your feminist issues? You need to get your head checked.

marcus

they get paid less because they try to work more flexible hours ..so they get the same pay or less with less hours...this argument on pay is so stupid. and abortion goes both ways
(1) NO the state insurance should not have to pay for your mistake
(2) it takes to 2 tango, the baby inside you should get every possible option and the father should be involved, only problem is he is not protected. a women is BIOLOGICALLY MADE TO HAVE KIDS and the the 2 parents to provide, exempting certain cases. THE CAREER YOU ALL SEEM TO BE FIGHTING FOR ARE USELESS AS A HUMAN BEING IF YOU DONT MAKE A BABY. CONTINUATION OF THE SPECIES TRUMPTS ALL THESE BULLSHIT ARGUMENTS.

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

this got national attention[huh] , i thought it was just some young college freshman's 1st attempt at writing an artical...

Days of Broken Arrows

The correct spelling is "article," not "artical." This kind of undoes your whole point.

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

oh god i made a little type-o, god forgive me for not using spell check

Hercules

Your ignorance is noted, yet unsurprising.

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

no, typing on a cell phone is difficult....

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

one type-o, omg its not like i'm an English major posting an article[tongue]

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

>Feminist makes a typo

OH GOD IT'S NOT A HUGE DEAL, STOP FIXATING ON IT.

>Male makes a typo

AHA LOOK HE PUT ROLLS INSTEAD OF ROLES LET'S USE THIS TO INSULT HIM.

Johnny

ahahah.. ouch, Kingfisher. Much ouch.

Days of Broken Arrows

I defended this article and am not a "Zach supporter." I am a supporter of

1). Free speech

2). Many of his IDEAS.

Everyone here could learn a bit by trying to address these ideas, not the writer himself. The first thing they teach you in philosophy and debate courses is that when arguing, argue the subject, not the person. If Charles Manson is pro-choice, does that mean being pro-choice is bad because a convicted killer pushes it? No, it doesn't. That's illogical. But that's what people are doing here. People need to take these courses I mentioned.

IDon'tgoToUni

Eh, I don't know. I came here because of the Jezebel link, and I think I posted alright.

Hercules

Nope, miserable fail.

nicole91

HOLD THE PHONE. okay in addition to the fact that this entire argument is a joke- you're an english major?! and a SENIOR?! 1/3 of these sentences don't even make sense. "The rolls have flipped." seriously? did you never learn to proofread?

please, when you can't get a job after graduation, don't blame feminism.

you're just a shitty writer.

Ali J

Mr. Nold, I see that your intentions are good, however, you might want to do some research before playing with the big kids. You see, the theory you are proposing of equality between the sexes is actually the definition of feminism. You say, "The notion that women should be protected, and have the door held open for them will always be something this writer places value on, which is not anti-feminist. It is in fact the opposite." So . . . it's feminist? But you say that's the thing that's hurting relationships -is that correct? You also say that women aren't the problem, but that we are the ones confusing relationships by only using them to make babies -a point that, I have to say, is incredibly insulting and puts you in the category of male "pigs" (your words, not mine) that you are claiming to deride here. You also say women have achieved equality. Uh huh . . . So equal means that I get paid less than you for the same job, and I (not you) have had to be warned since an early age to be wary of people who want to take advantage of me or even rape me? Now you say any movement that seeks to make these latter two points better for everyone automatically makes things worse for men. Am I clear on that? Oh yes, and I should just be happy that women are gaining more leaderships positions now (even though they aren't nearly equal to men in those roles). I guess we should just stop trying! There are many other things I could say, Mr. Nold, but I'm sure others have already said them to you. I hope that the next time you write on this topic you consider that the problem may actually be people who don't like to think and just want something to blame. You may want to look in the mirror for that one.

Hercules

Hold the phone? LMAO. My dad used to say that. Carry on with your insightful critique of his writing style.

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

( Feminism has met its goals )[sad] please do research on the goals of the feminist movement one for example one goal is for reproductive freedom and safe access to legal abortion. This goal was made in the 60's and still has not been met today.

(women made up a majority of the workforce) This is true but it is not because women are better communicators and thinkers. It is because employers can get away with paying them less.

(feminist push against the ‘evil man’) the term feminist refers to Anyone who believes a man and a woman are equal, no feminist calls men evil, the fact that you quoted it (with out a source) show that you have not spoken to a real feminist, i would encourage you to do so.

yes it is true that woman have( increased their numbers as Fortune 500 CEOs in the past years) but woman still only hold about 4% of Fortune 500 CEO positions and Fortune 1000 CEO positions.

feminists don't strive for dirty one nighters or short relationships, they strive for the individuals right to choose what kind of relationship he or she chooses. As far as you relationship advise goes i would i have news for you you will never meet someone who will always agree with you in fact its the differences between two people that make a relationship. And yes fighting over things like whos going to take out the trash will happen, some relationships work with set tasks but others don't . Valuing one another is important just like supporting one another.

(women should be protected, and have the door held open) i agree with you but i believe a woman should want just as much to protect her man, i know i enjoy it when my fiance holds door for me, but i return the favor i will open car doors for him, that to me is more about showing you care. [smile]

I can tell that you are very young in world experience, i didn't read any woman bashing in your writing. My hope is that a smart kid like you goes out seeks more knowledge, meets more people, and over all experiences new things and points of view.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

Except, you HAVE reproductive freedom. What you're arguing for is to have the state subsidize your choices, which is stupid.

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

because the goals set by feminist are stupid, and part of reproductive freedom is the right to say NO, i don't want to have this baby. ..Even after the ruling in Roe v. Wade, that established the right to have an abortion (and is protected by the U.S. Constitution)
it is not still not easily available in every state. In Mississippi there is only one abortion clinic that services the entire state, and it only performs abortions up to 16 weeks. The anti-abortion movement drives abortion clinics out of business, which pretty much serves the same function as a state-level ban.sad]
A lot of states have passed "trigger bans" that automatically make abortion illegal if Roe v. Wade is overturned. abortion is legal in every state right now, but there's a fight to keep it that way.

MichaelCaz
MichaelCaz

IMO, this article is unfounded in any kind of substantial science, and is just an opinionated rant, but for those of you quick to skewer his head on a pike and place it outside the football stadium, I'll offer this.

The civil rights, women's rights issues are much a matter of your timeline/perspective. Do women have it a lot cushier than they did in then 1950s? Absolutely. Do they deserve it? Absolutely. Have we failed to find a middle ground? Probably so. I mean that in the sense that women now seem to have some options that men really don't have. If I were to head out into the dating world determined to find a hard working woman to marry with the mindset that I would much prefer the work of a homemaker and child caretaker, I would be laughed out of the dating game.

I think women have earned their spot in the workplace, more commonly jumping into the hustle and bustle, and embarking on very promising and lucrative careers, but unlike men, they still have the option of playing the 1950s housewife if that's what they'd prefer. I guess my point is, women can choose to work, or choose the role of the homemaker without society batting an eye, meanwhile the husband's traditional role has never changed. Society, his peers and his family would probably project pretty negative sentiments if he decided he wanted to fight his wife on who was going to stay home with the kids. (I should add that I don't envy or minimize the roll of a woman as a housekeeper running around with three kids. I wouldn't last a week.)

Amandalove27
Amandalove27

actually i know allot of stay at home dads, who are very proud to be stay at home dads... in fact i see the dads in the play group jump in more and play with the kids while the moms stand around talking... i was talking to one father at the park whos work laid him off just after his wifes maternity leave ended and he saw it as lucky because he's been able to stay home with his son the last 3 years.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

You should always start your sentences with a capitalization and capitalize your Is. Your misuse of the ellipses is an affront to all rules of grammar, you are not thirteen and this is not livejournal. "Who's" is an implied ownership and thus requires an apostrophe, as is "wife's." "The last three years" does not mean what you are trying to use it to mean, the correct way to do that would be "for the past three years." Speaking of, yes, three is spelled out like all digits ten and under.

Everything about your post is horrible and I see no reason that we should pay attention to the arguments listed, since clearly grammar and spelling are everything to you as per your other posts.

marcus

i would like to see more people venture out and try more to make it work, but once again. before i do that i need to be respected. its not a man thing, its a people thing

Iriri

Actually, the issue where 'men don't have the option of being stay-at-home parents' is, shockingly, also a feminist issue! It's not just biological females that suffer inequities that the feminist movement seeks to fix.

Men are penalized if they want to take on that kind of traditionally "feminine" role, because it's seen as somehow lesser. If being a female is equal, why should society consider it shameful for a male to be a nurturer, or enjoy sex in which they are penetrated, or wear feminine clothing? I'm sure you can even think of your own examples, if you take a minute to think about it. That's a huge cognitive problem that hampers equality between the genders from BOTH ends. Feminism really is not just for females, and things are not yet equal, despite the strides forward.

Fabiana
Fabiana

Above all I have to say that this article is full of wrong datas. I suggest you "REPORT OF INTERNATIONAL GENDER GAP" ... you can find on internet.. it's a pdf full of percentages that show the gap between men and women in every field ( work, policy, economy, law ecc) and then...I'm sure you will not affirme "Feminism has met its goals and women are now equal with men as they should be."

Hanz
Hanz

damn straight this guy is misogynist

erika

The author has clearly missed his calling--if he applies himself and hones his craft, he could have a stellar comedic career. This stuff is gold! All that's missing is a few well-placed sound effects...which luckily won't have to compete for print space with facts and context (you know, things that tend to take up room in what's sometimes referred to as a logic-based argument). Best of luck at Comedy Central!

jen0826
jen0826

I think my favorite line was "the rolls have flipped"... maybe the "author" should look up the difference between "rolls" and "roles." lol

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

An ellipses is punctuation and therefore goes inside the quotations. Perhaps you should have a working knowledge of the language yourself before commenting upon it.

Hanz
Hanz

This article is extremely offensive to women. 1. it assumes women must not be work focused and should focus only on relationships
2.makes out feminism is a competition between men and women.
3. saying men are victims instead of women is really quite ONE sides there are inequalities on BOTH sides which you have not mentioned at all.

Also if anything, feminism has BENEFITED my relationship. I have been with my boyfriend for over 2 years now . And you know what? I have made sure I have found someone who APPRECIATES my success in my career! and he does not belittle me and is not intimidated by me! and you know what I encourage his success too.
Feminism is not a competition - which you are making it out to be. men and women are different. but you can certainly not say that women earn more than men. eg. in my local area women are substantially paid less than men
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/new-study-reveals-women-disadvantaged-financially-with-gender-pay-gap-more-than-doubling-last-year/story-e6freoof-1226547370130

You should do some research before making ignorant comments.
Also definition of feminism is equality.
Feminism is about equality. And globally women DO NOT have equal rights. EG. ABORTION IS ILLEGAL IN MOST COUNTRIES, women in india are BURNED alive with particular facial disfigurements. CHINESE BABIES ARE THROWN in the gutter just because they are females! there are so many inequalities globally. In africa , women have to be circumcised and have their vagina cut off and sewn up. A leading cause of death in the world is MATERNAL BIRTH DEATHS How can you say females have it equal? Women in australia MUST pay high luxury tax on tampons. Majority of domestic violence and rape is against women. This is particularly ignorant of you to ignore these facts.

Majority of men in power positions- in religion and in government and leaders are men. you can not say men are minority. Sorry but this is a fact. Look around you.

My man supports me and I support him, feminism has made my relationship better as he recognises these inequalities between men and women and supports me and EMPOWERS me to go for a career that is has EQUAL pay between men and women. Eg. medicine.

So you expect a girlfriend to focus fully on your relationship and not her personal interests and job. God damn man, I feel sorry for your future girlfriend!

Johnny

You're wrong. Both women AND men must choose either family or career. However, a man without a career gets nothing.

You cited a source from a country under such a strong hold of feminism that small breasted women are banned from porn, speakers in the house who are female shout and insult their counterparts who sit there stoically not rising to the bait, and so on.

Feminism IS a competition between women and men, as long as it is practiced as the attempt to be always the victim and never the cause. Read the SCUM manifesto. There's your feminism.

Feminism has NOTHING to do with a partner respecting your choices or supporting you. There are plenty of guys out there who would do that, but have been left standing there with flowers in their hand while self professed feminists go party with the bad boy on his harley. Stop deluding yourself.

The opinion piece never said that anything feminism has done to improve women's situation (wages, fair treatment) should be undone. it says feminism is trying to overreach, and I dont disagree with that.

I dont disagree that feminism hasn't done enough when women rape children and get a slap on the wrist for it, and can extort child support from the victim if they get pregnant.

I don't disagree that feminism hasn't done enough when Primary Aggressor clauses ensure that the man goes to jail for calling the police when his wife is beating HIM.

Erin Pizzey, who started women's shelters, found that almost half of the sheltered women were reciprocal DVers. That is, they hit as much as they got hit. Men were turned away from any form of DV sheltering if they tried to get away from an abusive wife.

Erin Pizzey attempted to expose the issues, and she was sent death threats (by feminists), and had her dog killed (by feminists).

Stop lying to yourself.

fortheloveofscience

AMEN.

I will regret even bothering
I will regret even bothering

"Both women AND men must choose either family or career. However, a man without a career gets nothing." Must they, Johnny? I know nothing a woman says to you can get through, but maybe a man could point out that your overly simplistic approach (oozing bias, as it does) to this and ad hom attempt to justify your position is laughable. "it says feminism is trying to overreach, and I dont disagree with that." Here's the thing, Johnny Boy. This opinion piece comes from a place of naivete and over-simplification. It starts by stating, essentially, that "feminism won" and that now women are trying to "overreach"... then goes into a real grossly sophomoric bit about grades. In fact, it's laughable, because the writer and all you brahs defending it (quite angrily, at that) don't even realize how little you know about the state of affairs with women, or even men, for that matter, let alone an issue as complex as feminism or gender relations. Really, funny stuff. No, I know nothing I've said has gotten through to you, and your bias is so entrenched it would take years of deprogramming to get you to see things from a different perspective. But it felt cathartic, as I am sure your overgeneralized pap attack did. When your next break-up commences, I'm sure it'll be the woman's fault. Certainly couldn't ever be yours.

marcus

you are one example. there are way more examples than just you and your love life. this article if it werent attacked and actually researched you would see that he is telling the truth. good and evil evil exist in all of us including feminism. the author did not state it correctly but american feminism is as equal as we need to be. the rest is up to the women that want to be president and earn that right. its not supposed to be given. bitching on comments about past problems is only keeping the wounds of the past fresh on your mind. let the justice and all the other tools put in place the men and women that worked to get it here do what they are intended to do. all movements need to slow slow not completely, but refocus specific countries and way to improve what is now in place. title iX is a step in the right direction but in practice all it does is dwindle mens chances of getting into college..womens as well. sports scholarships are for everyone and men love sports more than women. case in point WNBA will never be as popular as NBA because the interest is not supported by women. most like mens basketball and entertain idea of WNBA. its not any less important..its just not on the same scale. same goes for college sports. you want more money fill the seats..thats it. this is a stage of nut or shut...WNBA can prosper, womens sports, womens politics but the more you focus solely on women a whole of men will be swept under the rug and that hurts everyone in alot ways.

(1) unconfident who are not appreciated will have a lower sperm count
(2) allan pease and his wife book why men dont listen and women cant read maps has been scientifically proven to explain why alot of these stereotypes are true for their own biological reasons
(3) REALLY HIS BOOK, ITS ACTUALLY FUNNY I NEITHER DEMEANS WOMEN OR MEN. ITS ONE OF THOSE LAUGH AT YOUR FLAWS AND WORK ON THEM KIND OF THINGS.
(4) men with lower sperm will not have as healthy of kids_THAT IS A ENDANGERMENT OF HUMAN SPECIES.
(5)FEMINISM NEEDS TO FOCUS ON ANOTHER COUNTRY, LEARN FROM SWEDEN...WOMEN ARE MORE FREE AND EQUAL THERE THAN ANYONE AND THEY ARE HAVING MAJOR PROBLEMS...LOOK IT UP.
(6) BIOLOGY MAKES MEN AND WOMEN GO TO THEIR PRIMAL INSTINCTS. WOMEN PROVEN BY STATICS WILL GO GET MASTERS DEGREE, WORK IN CORPORATE WORLD, MISS THIER KIDS SO MUCH THAT THEY EITHER HAVE TO CHOOSE CAREER OR KIDS AND MEN HAVE TO MAKE THE SAME CHOICE BUT WOMEN HAVE LESS FLEXIBILITY IN THIS FOR THIER OWN REASONS. NOT BAD OR GOOD SCALE, JUST THIER CHOICE.

BEFORE ALL OF YOU DEEM MEN SO USELESS UNDERSTAND THAT MEN ACCOUNT FOR 90% OF TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCES IN THE WORLD, SO IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CUT US OUT, BE READY TO CUT OUT ALL OF YOU TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENT BY OVER HALF THE PRODUCTIVITY. WE ARE MEANT TO WALK TOGETHER......NOT ONE IN FRONT OF THE OTHER. FEMINISM HAS BEEN LYING TO YOU. THE CHANGES WERE NEEDED BUT ALL MAJOR CONTRIBUTION OF FEMINISM SLOWED DOWN AFTER THE LATE 90'S AND THE REST IS HEN PECKINGING AND BITCHING FOR TABLE SCRAPS . GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOU ASS AND DONT GO DOWN AFTER FEMINISM HAS FINISHED ITS GOALS.

AMERICA DOES NOT NEED FEMINISM ANYMORE, THE OTHER COUNTRIES DO

Hanz
Hanz

Men are evil. Lets punish them by making them love us and respect our careers and orgasms.

Johnny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOu_BszChIE

Johnny

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

Anderson, K. L. (2002). Perpetrator or victim? Relationships between intimate partner violence and well-being. Journal of Marriage and Family, 64, 851-863. (Data consisted of 7,395 married and cohabiting heterosexual couples drawn from wave 1 of the National Survey of Families and Households . In terms of measures: subjects were asked "how many arguments during the past year resulted in 'you hitting, shoving or throwing things at a partner.' They were also asked how many arguments ended with their partner, 'hitting, shoving or throwing things at you.'" Author reports that, "victimization rates are slightly higher among men than women <9% vs 7%> and in cases that involve perpetration by only one partner, more women than men were identified as perpetrators <2% vs 1%>.")

Arriaga, X. B., & Foshee, V. A. (2004). Adolescent dating violence. Do adolescents follow in their friends' or their parents' footsteps? Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 19, 162-184. (A modified version of Conflict Tactics Scale was administered on two occasions, 6 months apart, to 526 adolescents, <280 girls, 246 boys> whose median age was 13. Results reveal that 28% of girls reported perpetrating violence with their partners <17% moderate, 11% severe> on occasion one, while 42% of girls reported perpetrating violence <25% moderate, 17% severe> on occasion two. For boys, 11% reported perpetrating violence <6% moderate, 5% severe> on occasion one, while 21% reported perpetrating violence <6% moderate, 15% severe> on occasion two. In terms of victimization, 33% of girls, and 38% of boys reported being victims of partner aggression on occasion one and 47% of girls and 49% of boys reported victimization on occasion two.

Bernard, M. L., & Bernard, J. L. (1983). Violent intimacy: The family as a model for love relationships. Family Relations, 32, 283-286. (Surveyed 461 college students, 168 men, 293 women, with regard to dating violence. Found that 15% of the men admitted to physically abusing their partners, while 21% of women admitted to physically abusing their partners.)

Brown, G. (2004). Gender as a factor in the response of the law-enforcement system to violence against partners. Sexuality and Culture, 8, (3-4), 3-139. (Summarizes partner violence data from the 1999 Canadian General Social Survey . The GSS is based on a representative sample of 25,876 persons. Overall in the 12-month period preceding the survey, an estimated 3% Canadian women and 2% of Canadian men reported experiencing violence from their partners. During the 5 year period from 1995-1999, an estimated 8% of Canadian women and 7% of Canadian men reported violence from their partners. Reviewed police and legal responses to partner violence in Edmonton, Canada and concludes that ". . . men who are involved in disputes with their partners, whether as alleged victims or as alleged offenders or both, are disadvantaged and treated less favorably than women by the law-enforcement system at almost every step.")

Thompson Jr., E. H. (1991). The maleness of violence in dating relationships: an appraisal of stereotypes. Sex Roles, 24, 261-278. (In a more extensive presentation of his 1990 article, the author concludes that, "a more masculine and/or less feminine gender orientation and variations in relationship seriousness proved to be the two strongest predictors of both men's and women's involvement in courtship violence.")


Please tell us more lies about how you're all victims and feminism is the only shield from "oppression".

All of you airheads who moan on and on, about feminism's necessity and how horrible the author is, are simply repeating the drilled in speeches you heard growing up, without ever checking if they were true. Not only that, but you are aggressive and frequently violent towards any differing opinion.

Why is that? Did men respond that way when women were trying to gain equality? I don't think so. If men were so superior and oppressive, then surely they would've stomped down the feminist movement. Suppose, however, the women of the feminist movement were so strong as to overthrow this "patriarchy". Why, then, are women still held to less account by law enforcement, by legal punishment, and by social taboo against bad behavior than men? Is it because they are truly weaker, and as such cannot accept full responsibility for their actions?

To attempt to escape blame and responsibility for your actions is to tell the world that you are just a child, who has no power.

Johnny

After all the people saying his article is baseless lies, everyone has finally shut up on seeing the ACTUAL rates of violence reported in domestic situations and relationships?

Figures.

Wasp

Perhaps you’ve never thought of these instances because you are a male and your life hasn’t forced you to consider such situations. Consider yourself lucky, and jump on the feminist bandwagon. We have a long way to go.

Consider these experiences, shared at one point or another with nearly everyone who has a vagina:

- You are born a girl. Someone puts a pink hat on you. From then on, most people start treating you as if you must be caring, nurturing, quiet, helpful, considerate of others, and place others' needs before their own.
- You get told “be careful” instead of “you’re so brave” on the playground. You should be “pretty,” not “loud” like boys are just expected to be.
- You pick up on these gender roles as early as 3 months, and you probably start acting like the girl you are told to be because that’s when you get approval from the adults around you.
- You’re probably handed dolls instead of trucks or science kits, leading you to believe that dressing people instead of doing or thinking is your primary purpose in life.
- You’re more likely to be put in clothes that are too uncomfortable for really playing like kids should as they discover how their limbs work. Maybe you stop being active as a result.
- When people approach you, they usually tell you you’re pretty, or your dress is nice, instead of asking what sports you like or what you like studying in class like they ask boys.
- You clearly see women acting stupid or being treated as objects in ads, sports, motorcycles races, movies, and you identify with them. You begin hating parts of your body instead of celebrating what your body can do the way you might if you saw more images of unphotoshopped real women or female athletes.
- You notice that female celebrities who don’t look like Barbies have their bodies harshly criticized instead of being celebrated for their acting talents.
- Maybe you start downplaying your intellectual abilities in school so boys will like you and won’t be intimidated.
- You learn that women aren’t valued unless they look a certain way, so you start spending possibly hours each day on your clothes/makeup/hair instead of spending energy in healthier, more fulfilling ways.
- You try to alter your body by dieting and working out when you are as young as 10, instead of paying attention to school.
- Since you’ve been taught since birth to be quiet, you don’t raise your hand as much as the boys in your class who have always been taught to speak up. This probably lasts through high school, and maybe the rest of your academic career, often leading your teachers to believe that you don’t know the answers.
- Because our culture blames rape victims instead of those who choose to commit violent acts, you are forced to constantly take precautions when you go out with friends. Do you know where all of your friends are at all times? Do you have a rape whistle/pepper spray/a long enough skirt/sober enough mind to avoid rape? Not that you can anyway, since most rape is committed by someone you know, not a stranger in a bar or a dark alley.
- In or after high school, there is more than a 1 in 4 chance you will be raped. This is not the same as breaking your arm and letting it heal. The aftermath can include anything from depression to sexually transmitted diseases to sleeping too much to insomnia to avoiding sexual activity to engaging in as much sexual activity as possible to a variety of eating disorders to pregnancy.
- Maybe you get pregnant from rape, or from consensual sex that wasn’t supposed to produce a child. Either way, your life will become exceedingly difficult. If you are able to access an abortion, which is becoming increasingly difficult, you will be faced with a large financial, and possibly physical/emotional burden from protesters screaming at you as you approach the clinic. If you don’t believe in abortion, or if you can’t afford or access one, you will be expected to care for this child, regardless of the involvement of the father. Unplanned children are expensive and time consuming, no matter how much you may end up loving them, which strips away most mothers’ ability to finish schooling, stay on a career path, or do pretty much anything they had planned for their adult lives.
- Even if you are able to wait for a stable relationship to have children on purpose, you and your children still might end up in an abusive relationship. If you are a stay at home mom and you or your children are being abused in your home, it is extremely difficult to leave because you are not making your own money, and of course an abuser won’t give you money to move out. Additionally, we have a Congress that won’t pass the Violence Against Women Act because they only believe certain types of women deserve protection. Because of this, 1.3 million women in the US are abused every year, and are left to fend for themselves.
- Even if you successfully earn a college degree, the AAUW study found that "women one year out of college who were working full time earned, on average, just 82 percent of what their male peers earned." This was meant to eliminate the reasons that are given for the pay gap later in life- women prioritizing having a family and making other career decisions that affect their earning ability. The study points out that much of the pay gap comes from good old discrimination: "research shows that most men and women continue to hold biases — often unconscious — against women in the workplace, especially against those who work in traditionally male fields."
- Even if you are able to land the job you want, you still are likely to be harassed in the workplace. There is stigma against actually reporting it because just like rape victims, women are often blamed for their own harassment. If it’s your boss who’s doing the harassing and you don’t just go along with it, forget about ever getting a raise or a positive recommendation if you decide to switch workplaces altogether.
- Even if you’re not harassed at work, you will be faced with the question, do I have a career or a family? Men aren’t faced with this question. It’s assumed they can do both because women or a nanny will handle the child care.
- Even if you make it through your professional career successfully, you will stop being valued once you begin visibly aging. Old men can still be politician, but old women aren’t valued for what they say, just picked on for how they looks.

I hope you consider all of these factors in women’s lives before making any more statements about the status of feminism today. The most enlightened, feminist thing you could do is to become an ally to women and stand with them as they disproportionately face these injustices in the year 2013.

Johnny

Perhap's you've never thought of the instances because you are female and your life hasnt forced you to consider such situations.

-you are born a boy. someone puts a blue hat on you. From thn on people start treating you as if you have responsibility for everything that happens to you. you must be strong, independent, ambitious, muscular, attractive, aggressive, go getting.
- you get told to "stop crying or ill give you something to cry about" instead of "its okay". you should be stoic instead of open.
-you're probably handed trucks or science kits, instead of dolls, believing that achieving a masterwork that advances mankind is what you're supposed to do.

(oh, btw, they did a study where they forced girls and boys to play with toys, and the boys used them as weapons and the girls played house with them, so there goes your theory about toys brainwashing people).

I could go on like you, but I'm not going to cut short the logical fallacies and so on, unlike you.

Karma
Karma

That's exactly right, Wasp! I think the write must just not want to give up his ideas that women NEED his protection. It must feel very good to grow up being told that you are brave and have to "take care of" the "weaker" sex. When one gender's self-image is "hero", they don't have much incentive to want that to change. People like the writer need women to continue to feel weak in order to feel like a "man". It's really sad actually.

Johnny

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- voltaire

Oh gee, women can cut dicks off with near impunity and any call for more reasonable interchange between feminist culture and anything remotely male is called "misogynistic" and "sexist".

hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Hercules

but HE had it coming, HE deserved it...

I will regret even bothering
I will regret even bothering

You people are stating that female-on-male rape is common. Is that REALLY the way you wanna go with this?...

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

Under the expanded rape definitions used to get the very figures feminists throw around, yes, female on male rape is a common occurrence, with far fewer men coming forward.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

Not only will he have "had it coming" but daytime talk show hosts will laugh about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muuFygvXPAM

Johnny

or the fact that (for example), 22% of males in DRC were raped by females, where 30% of females were raped by males (thus proving that women are perfectly able to, and willing to do so).

or the fact that women are more likely to be child molesters, or murder their kids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuJJuK7ADk8

I will regret even bothering
I will regret even bothering

Are you really arguing that the Democratic Republic of Congo is a female-raping-male hotbed? You REALLY just referenced an African nation in defense of rape? Really. Really?

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

Why not? Feminists list African nations among the reasons feminism is still valid all the time.

Or is that argument only valid when you do it?

ephemeralyouth
ephemeralyouth

"Feminism has met its goals." Tell that to any rape victims (myself included) and we will laugh at you, with tears in our eyes. Look up the "one billion rising" movement. You are blind to your own privilege. I hope the hundreds of angry comments on this help to make you and other people finally see.

Hercules

Are you insinuating that feminism's goal is to stop rape?

Sara

Stopping rape is actually one of the main goals of feminism. Why wouldn't it be?

Johnny

rape has always been a crime, and something you don't do with your "in group".

Stopping the small percentage of men AND WOMEN who commit rape is like stopping murder. It just won't happen. Instead of railing against an impossibility, why not TEACH GIRLS TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND COMPETENT AT SOCIAL INTERACTION.

Confidence through social training, not fear through boogeyman tactics.

Sara

Women who are responsible STILL GET RAPED all the time. You can do all the “right” things and still get raped. We have to teach men (who make up the vast majority of rapists) not to rape people, instead of putting the onus on the victims not to get raped. That's the problem here. People think that it's always the woman's fault for getting raped. Rape happens because people let rapists get away with it. We CAN stop this if we as a society decide to actually stop this bullshit victim-blaming mentality.

Sara

Women who are responsible STILL GET RAPED all the time. You can do all the “right” things and still get raped. We have to teach men (who make up the vast majority of rapists) not to rape people, instead of putting the onus on the victims not to get raped. That’s the problem here. We can stop this if we as a society decide to let go of this victim-blaming mentality that allows these things to continue.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

If your goal were to stop rape, why would you label common sense suggestions to mitigate someone's chances of being rape as "victim blaming?"

We already tell men not to rape. We persecute rapists to the extent of the law. No one is saying that anyone, man or woman, should be raping anyone.

Telling someone that walking around a neighborhood with a high crime rate whilst waving around thousands of dollars and singing the "I have a large wad of cash and no gun" song is likely to increase their chances of being mugged is not victim blaming. Telling people that consuming inordinate amounts of alcohol while wearing skimpy outfits is likely to increase their chances of being sexually assaulted is not victim blaming either.

Sara

We do not persecute rapists to the extent of the law. Rape is one of the most under-reported and unpunished crimes that there is.

You ARE vicitim-blaming. Mostly because you don't seem to realize that the vast majority of rape victims are not "drunken sluts." In fact, most women are raped by people they know. By friends, boyfriends, husbands and family members. The myth of the rapist lurking in dark corners waiting to pounce on a woman who is in a short skirt and drank too much is an exaggerated myth and it's exactly why rape keeps happening. People are not dealing with the real life issues, instead they are creating straw women and saying "rape wouldn't happen if women would stop being drunken sluts!" That's not true. At all. And it puts the blame on women themselves.

Not to mention that countries in the world that have the highest instances of rape are countries in which women are not allowed to go out to clubs and drink and wear skimpy outfits. They are countries that enforce strict modesty codes on women and don't let women have any rights. Are the women in Saudi Arabia "asking for it" by dressing in short skirts? No. Because they are not allowed to wear short skirts. But yet, somehow, they still get raped. Maybe, just maybe, this issue goes a lot deeper than clothing or alcohol, eh?

Argumentative

Look love, the reason why it is as unpunished and unreported as it is in the United States is because most rape victims, whether it be men or women, are embarrassed of the terrible act thrust upon them and that they fear reprisal from the assailant (American Medical Association). Telling rapists to stop raping is like telling murderers to stop killing people, can't change the way minds think. One thing you can do is learn how to defend yourself, there are many instances where the victim fought off their assailant, I personally know one of them. Unfortunately its a hard thing to change the way the world works but the article is based upon the United States, not Saudi Arabia.

kiley

I think it's kind of a paradox to say that women (in the name of feminism) should be able to have sexual freedom, be promiscuous, flaunt their bodies, but then their bodies should also be protected from sex or from objectifying men. Rape is a terrible, horrible thing; we can't demand both sexual freedom and exploration AND sexual protection. Sex has great value and is something that should be protected on both ends.

I will regret even bothering
I will regret even bothering

Listen, Zach. Senior in English, is it? This reads like a very naive and sheltered sophomore that has internet access. If it was handed in to me by a student, I wouldn't be giving it high marks. In fact, I'd probably dedicate a class just to educate both you and other equally ignorant young white males that no, the victory bells for feminism have not been rung and equality has not come to shove men off their hard-won pedestal. But this is a comment, not a class, so let me just break this down structurally. You make grand declarative statements in the time-honored tradition of privileged white man-children who don't really understand how foolish they look, both immediately and in retrospect. You do a disservice to men and women alike with this childish tripe. That's it. Please quit while you're ahead. Consider getting a copy editor if you choose to forge ahead.

Sara

A privileged, straight, white male has ignorant opinions about feminism!?! I am shocked, I tell you, shocked!

Zach, dear, you sound like you wrote this article after you got dumped because you asked your girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do. Blame feminists! Blame all the feminists!

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

So his opinions are somehow less valid due to his sexual orientation and the color of his skin? You are unbelievably sexist and racist.

Not to mention your entire second paragraph substitutes a blatant shaming tactic in lieu of an actual refutation of his arguments. I have a sinking feeling though, that refutation may be too difficult for you.

Try putt

Sara

Piss off, MRA. Go back to Reddit.

Sara

Tons of people have already refuted his point. This guy has no arguements based in reality. It's just the scared rants of a boy who doesn't know how to survive in the world with women as his equals. Pathetic.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

You felt you needed to make not one, but two pointless posts insulting myself and Zach? Adorable.

If you had bothered to read his article, you would have seen him say women are considered every bit the equal to men now, and this is why feminism is no longer relevant. This is not the behavior of someone scared of women.

Perhaps your perpetual victim mentality would be the thing better served in Reddit, dear.

Sara

But women are not considered equal to men now and feminism IS still relevant. There are many areas of life in which equality has not been achieved. The world is bigger than America. Women all over the world still face challenges that you or I cannot possibly fathom which is why feminism still so badly needed. I don't care about all your MRA talking points, you (and Zach) are both WRONG in your assertion that feminism is irrelevant. Many many women still need it. So go run back to Reddit with all your other MRAs and cry about how women are oppressing you simply by existing outside of the kitchen. The rest of us will be out there in the real world actually tempting to make a difference.

Kingfisher
Kingfisher

*That last sentence should read "Try putting some effort in next time."

Karma
Karma

"Feminism has reached it's goals." ....hahahaha!
[wink]

Summerfun
Summerfun

If this is a glimpse into the future of journalism and the integrity of the profession, then the first amendment has failed us all.

KJ
KJ

men are making up smaller percentages of university campuses. Yes, that is true. But whose fault is that? What does women becoming more successful have to do with men doing worse? TRY HARDER. men doing poorly has nothing to do with feminism. Feminism isn't attacking men, its attacking patriarchy. You say, multiple times, that feminism hurts relationships, but how, exactly? You don't justify any of your claims. you also don't seem to understand that feminism is about more than college enrolment and seem to imply that as soon as the percentage of women (in school, in the workplace, etc) is above 50% men are being damaged. you're right. feminism hurts some men's egos. bc these men need to stop being so intimidated my female success. its not an and-or situation between the sexes, its a fair chance situation.

ORWIMO

Wow! I am so glad there is a MAN who is willing to make a strong case about the cons of extreme feminism. Women should be willing to make a statement as well as most men would be crucified for making this kind of statement (as anyone can see in the comments below). I 100% agree with this article. As a young married woman and successful business owner I am grateful for the opportunities I am afforded--but I think the pendulum has swung too far and now we are seeing the damage of extreme feminism and political correctness. I am also the mother of 3 small sons so I care about this issue more than I can say. Let's not pretend men or women can really do without the other--we are meant to be one. Thank you for being brave enough to write this article. I, as woman, wife and mother thank you--well done.

Benevolus

The Lily Ledbetter Act, which provides women with key legal rights for workplace discrimination is barely four years old. The misogyny that characterizes our national psyche and roils just beneath the surface of our PC veneer was stripped away while Hillary Clinton was making her bid for president in 2008. It was proposed many times, by many different men, that a woman cannot be trusted as president because her period will make her emotional.

What women can do with their bodies in terms of contraceptives, abortion, etc., is still regulated almost entirely by men. This fact is not a hallmark of equal standing.

In the 1950s, the jobs most held by women were: nurses, teachers, secretaries, housekeepers, and cashiers.In 2013, they have not changed. The two professions dominated by women, teaching, nursing, and social work are also the lowest paid of all the professions.

Women have come a long way, and the trend seems to be in the right direction. But the claim that women are equal is completely ignorant.

priyeshwashington

Hey,, Man that really cool that a man who is willing to make a strong case about the cons of extreme feminism!! :) :)
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Argumentative

I would like to ask that anyone who comments in the discussion looks past the fact that the author is a male, just to be EQUAL. And secondly to think about what you are about to write and back it up with valid reasoning and facts.

mayfieldga
mayfieldga

I am afraid the problem is much worse than just the equally you mentioned and the perceived slacking in male efforts. The problem is created from one year of age and is creating a very increased uneven playing field for Male and Female children. This involves differential treatment designed improperly to make Male children tough. The aggression they are given and increased from year one creates higher average stress that hurts learning; higher muscle tension; and more social/emotional distance from others. This is combined with much less kind, stable, mental/emotional/social/verbal interaction for fear of coddling. This creates low social vocabulary; higher stress that hurts reading; more activity for stress relief; more pressure on pen/pencil that hurts writing/motivation; more distrust and lack of communication with adults (teachers); and lags in mental/emotional/social knowledge and skills from the neglect. Boys are also given love/honor only when there is achievement with the stick of discipline or ridicule for not achieving.
Note, girls are receiving much more continuous kind, caring, stable, verbal interaction, and other more kind, stable mental/emotional/social/verbal interaction support and care from parents, peers, and teachers. This is maintained through adulthood. I feel unless this uneven treatment is corrected, this will create a much larger gulf in future achievement by gender. We must fix this problem or lose our society and the health of everyone through retaliation by Males falling behind and reacting at some critical point where they have fallen behind collectively. So the problem is much more severe and needs immediate action to correct this rapidly growing imbalance.

YepHiThisIsMyUsername

Mr. Nold. I am one of the few who agrees with you. As a woman who grew up in Lincoln, I see that my fellow Lincoln (or any big city) friends and previous classmates are showing a lot of anger because they believe that you have insulted them. That is where I disagree. Some (not all) think that men are the lowest form and women should have equal rights, if not more. Here's the thing that doesn't make sense: Women shouldn't taunt and blame men for their "un-equalism" (wherever the credible proof is in that) and shouldn't put themselves on a pedestal and expect men to sit back and watch. Women and men are two entirely different people, and they should BOTH be treated with respect. If you want to hold a door open or a woman, go ahead and do it. A woman should thank you. If a woman wants to hold a door open for you, they should. And 'thanks' should be spoken of. We women don't owe anything to men and they don't owe anything to us but respect for one another. If a woman is saying "aww poor white boy" for every little thing that they disagree with, then that's on the woman, not the man. Just because someone has a different opinion doesn't make it the GENDER's fault. I'm glad that you voiced your opinion on a tough situation at a college that is mostly (but not all) viewing things the opposite way as yourself. Feminism, when taken too far, does hurt modern-day relationships. If those feminists who are taking things too far want to have a positive relationship with anybody else other than themselves, they need to view themselves (and those interacting) as a human, and not a victim.

noBodyisinappropriate

Au contraire, Mr. Nold. If yours is the level of discourse about gender equity that we are offered, then feminism clearly still has a long way to go. Here's hoping that men and women and non-gender-conforming people are all equally educated, articulate, and intelligent, sometime in the near future... (I'm not holding my breath)

HeyI'mDuncan

i personally believe this all to be childish and i would like to see a works where everyone is created truly equal, that means no 'cool story babe, go make me a sandwich' and no 'men aren't rape victims'. honestly i think people just need to grow up and learn to accept people as WHO they are not WHAT they are. Pay should be equal and there should be male rape clinics. Done.

HeyI'mDuncan

i also disapprove of both feminism and masculinism. I view them both as childish and self centered. I would instead like to see TRUE acceptance. and if your looking and can't find it, maybe its your time to start instead of claiming its not there. it is, you just either have to look for it or start it yourself. Simple as that.

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