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BOLTON: Conservatism not quite dead, but could be heading that way

Published: Wednesday, September 30, 2009

Updated: Thursday, October 1, 2009 22:10


Conservatism is dead.

Well, according to New York Times editor Sam Tanenhaus' Feb. 18, 2009, essay in The New Republic. The piece provoked such a response that Tanenhaus wrote and released a follow-up book in September, "The Death of Conservatism."

Can we have a moment of silence, please?

Okay, you – you there clenching the newsprint into your fists, furrowing your eyebrows and scoffing as though I called your mother a whore or kicked your dog – take a deep breath.

And you – you scrolling your computer screen to the comment section, preparing your written tongue-lashing, during which you'll call me a whore and threaten to kick my cat – calm down.

As a registered independent, I do my best to engage both Republicans and Democrats in political debate. However, I have little time for the Ann Coulters, Glen Becks or Rush Limbaughs on the right. While conservatism may or may not be dead (and Tanenhaus admits he doesn't truly believe conservatism is dead), "The Death of Conservatism" makes a powerful argument, and I urge Conservatives to consider his criticisms.

In "The Death of Conservatism," Tanenhaus argues that, in order to rebuild conservatism, the right should forego overzealous "revanchist" politics and return to their roots – namely to the philosophies of Enlightenment thinker Edmund Burke. "Revanchist," according to Tanenhaus, are those "who think America has been taken away from them" (See the September PBS interview with Bill Moyers.)

Tanenhaus contends that, at this moment, "the conservative intellectuals recognize no distinction between analysis and advocacy, or between the competition of ideas and the naked struggle for power. To them the Democratic Party and all manner of liberals are simply the enemy, and if the majority of the country joins this ‘wrong' side, then they are the enemy, too, or its manipulated pawns."

I could not agree more. How can individuals debate when even the mere mention of Obama, health care and social justice immediately evoke condemning tirades?

Tanenhaus made his argument exceptionally clear during an interview with real.tv Sept. 18. He states, "The proposition would be that this is the moment for conservative intellectuals, I don't worry so much about the politicians and the parties. Parties find talented leaders, and they are able to rally the groups; they become tribunes for the movement. But what movement will they be tribunes for?"

He continues, "What conservatism has lost, it seems to me, the hardcore conservatism – the polarized or partisan conservatism – is the capacity to elevate the argument."

As you can imagine, conservatives have not allowed Tanenhaus to pass through the blogosphere unscathed.

Following the release of "Death of Conservatism," The New Criterion published, "Is Conservatism dead?" by James Piereson.

Piereson asserts the "one thing" Tanenhaus is clear on is that he "dislikes conservatives—intensely and unremittingly so."

Piereson claims that from Tanenhaus' point-of-view, "conservatives are out to destroy the country, that they are driven by revenge and resentment, that they dislike America and that they behave more like extremists and revolutionaries (‘Jacobins') than as genuine conservatives."

Piereson's rebuttal draws dangerously near to Tanenhaus' aforementioned criticism regarding conservatives' present inability to distinguish analysis from advocacy. Still, to some extent I agree with Piereson. Tanenhaus is (necessarily or otherwise) critical of partisan and extremist conservatism. But I disagree that he "intensely and unremittingly" dislikes conservatives.

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50 comments

Syl Dettelbacher
Sat Oct 17 2009 11:40
I think Obama is probably not a natural-born citizen of the U.S. Clinton probably did rape Juanita Broderick, grope Kathleen Willy, and probably did have sex with Monica Lewinsky, despite that fact that people who said so at the time were labelled "crazy" and "rightwing conspirators." But who really cares? Get over it, people! There are things more important than mistakes people make when they are horny or some obsolete phrase in the Constitution. It's like arguing over the meaning of "is." The founders probably wouldn't have objected if they knew how mobile society would become 225 years later. If we required candidates to be perfect, Clinton would never have been allowed to do the great accomplishments he did for this country, like letting gays serve their country.
Justin
Wed Oct 14 2009 23:29
So, he's released a document that has information that can only come from the so-called "long form", and that's not good enough? Do you see why everybody knows you wouldn't find the "long form" acceptable, either, and that it's pointless to try to reason with you, or legitimize your concerns by releasing anything more?

The entire controversy is that Obama's birth certificate isn't long enough. The Hawaii Dept. of Health has not affirmed anything except that Obama was born in the state, is a natural born citizen of the United States, and is the legitimate president of the US by democratic election. Quote Janice Okubo, who you seem to consider an unimpeachable source: “It’s crazy...I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Again - there's no such thing as a Hawaii "Long form" birth certificate! The document that has been released is the only birth certification that Hawaii releasesm and it affirms Obama's birth in Honolulu - down to the precise minute.

Your name
Wed Oct 14 2009 22:24
Justin says that "The entire controversy is over the ludicrous idea that the birth certificate that was released "doesn't count" because it's not as long as a hypothetical "long form birth certificate" that Hawaii doesn't issue and therefore can't possibly exist." Justin Hawaii issued this sort of form in 1961 when Obama was born. They stopped making such forms in 2001 long after Obama was born and his form (known as a long form) from 1961 should very well exist.

the Hawaii Department of Health has affirmed that no paper birth certificates were destroyed when the department moved to electronic record-keeping.

"I am not aware of any birth certificate records that have been destroyed by the department," Janice Okubo, public information officer for the Hawaii DOH, . "When the department went electronic in 2001, vital records, whether in paper form or any other form, [were] maintained. We don't destroy records."

Okubo affirmed that beginning in 2001, all vital records, including birth records, moved to electronic formats.

"Any records that we had in paper or any other form before 2001 are still in file within the department," she insisted. "We have not destroyed any vital statistics records that we have."

Long forms, also known as certified photocopies, book copies, and photostat copies, are exact photocopies of the original birth record that was prepared by the hospital or attending physician at the time of the child's birth. The long form usually includes parents' information (address of residence, race, birth place, date of birth, etc.), additional information on the child's birthplace, and information on the doctors who assisted in the birth of the child. The long form also usually includes the signature of the doctor involved and at least one of the parents.

Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are cheaper than photocopies and much more easily accessible. Information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is given a title such as "Certification of Birth", "Certification of Live Birth", or "Certificate of Birth Registration". The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances. Nearly all states in the U.S. issue short forms certifications, on both state and local levels. This is the form that has been displayed.

The long form can be obtained by a court order if requested by Obama. Why doesn't he do this? It would resolve the matter. Otherwise he looks like he is just ducking out through a legal technicality and those who deny his being born in Hawaii can claim that the short form is a computer created forgery. Which it might very well be. It is possible that the computer generated form is a fabrication and since the original (known as long form) is available it is only reasonable that Obama present it and end this controversy.

"It hardly costs anything at all to dismiss a lawsuit." Wrong Justin, it's cost the taxpayers $1.8 million dollars in legal cost just because Obama wants to avoid admitting if he has the original document of his birth in Hawaii

Justin
Wed Oct 14 2009 20:58
"Justin calling me crazy will not deny the fact that these long forms were issued when Obama was allegedly born in Hawaii. That is not a false claim. So where is Obama's form? Tell me."

Obama's birth certificate has already been released. The criticism that it is not as long as some hypothetical longer form is not only stupid, but it has no legal weight. There's absolutely no law that says that your birth certificate has to be of a certain length.

Justin
Wed Oct 14 2009 20:54
"If there is nothing to hide, why not just silence the critics once and for all and release the vaulted document that bears signatures which attest to its authenticity and affirm that the birth actually happened as alleged? "

That already happened; Obama released his birth certificate. The entire controversy is over the ludicrous idea that the birth certificate that was released "doesn't count" because it's not as long as a hypothetical "long form birth certificate" that Hawaii doesn't issue and therefore can't possibly exist.

"Why spend so much money, time, and work trying to supress this?"

What "money, time, and work"? It hardly costs anything at all to dismiss a lawsuit. The people using up their time and money are the birthers, led by a woman who knows more about pulling teeth than pulling legal citations. Obama isn't hiding anything - the birth certificate has already been released.

Meagan
Wed Oct 14 2009 19:32
That really is the simplest formulation I've heard yet. If there is nothing to hide, why not just silence the critics once and for all and release the vaulted document that bears signatures which attest to its authenticity and affirm that the birth actually happened as alleged? Why spend so much money, time, and work trying to supress this? To me, that is the right question. Makes it rather obvious somebody is hiding something, and it's not hard to guess what that is.
Your name
Wed Oct 14 2009 00:55
"The Hawaii Department of Heath affirmed that no paper birth certificate records were destroyed when the department moved to electronic record-keeping in 2001. "

This is an outright false claim. The Hawaii Dept. of Health has made no such affirmation except to affirm that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Justin calling me crazy will not deny the fact that these long forms were issued when Obama was allegedly born in Hawaii. That is not a false claim. So where is Obama's form? Tell me.
Nor Am I mentioning any Kenyan Birth Certificates. Thats just a red herring.
Nor did Obama win a landslide election.

Why?
Wed Oct 14 2009 00:47
Hey Justin, why doesn't Obama just release his long form birth certificate? Why does he refuse to release this record, his medical records and his college records. If he did this it would resolve any controversy. There is an allegation here and the only way it can be resolved is if he comes clean. Otherwise their will always be doubt and doubt is a killer.
What happens in court is immaterial it doesn't resolve the doubt issue only Obama can do that. Why doesn't he?
Justin
Tue Oct 13 2009 20:27
"But every legal case has not been dismissed."

If not they soon will be. The lead "counsel" on this "case", Orthodontist-turned-part-time-lawyer Orly Taitz, was just today fined more than 20 grand for her contempt of court. In the briefing the judge referred to the case having as little merit as a case to "prove" that the President was a Martian.

"Among numerous cases that have not been dismissed, the one over his Occidental records was finally won, and "Barry" lost"

I don't know who "Barry" is, but Barack Obama has not been compelled by any court to release his records from Occidental or anywhere else. The case you refer to was lost, but by the plaintiffs, not by Obama. His records from Occidental remain sealed.
www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp

Your name
Mon Oct 12 2009 17:27
But every legal case has not been dismissed. Among numerous cases that have not been dismissed, the one over his Occidental records was finally won, and "Barry" lost; he had to let the college disclose that he attended on scholarship money for foreign students studying in the U.S. Good thing that didn't come out during the campaign. People might have had a better idea of whom they were voting for.
Justin
Mon Oct 12 2009 17:02
" until the one challenging that presumption meets his or her burden of proof"

Very well. What is the evidence that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii, given that he has a legal birth certificate from Hawaii? The unreliable testimony of one estranged relative? A phony "Kenyan birth certificate" that uses a name for the country that nobody used until 2 years after Obama was born?

This is why every legal case against the President is immediately dismissed - there's absolutely no evidence that he was born anywhere other than where he, the State of Hawaii, the governor of Hawaii, the US Senate, the House of Representatives, the Vice President, and the Supreme Court of the United States have said he was - Hawaii.

"the history books will have to come up with a new term to describe a period of time where no constitutionally qualified person held the presidency."

The only thing they'll have to name is the period of national insanity where an enormous number of people thought that there was reason to believe that there was no President, despite a landslide election.

Your name
Mon Oct 12 2009 16:29
You gotta feel sorry for Justin. You know he is feeling some real anguish when he goes into name-calling mode like he did there at the end. Nonetheless, someone should point out to him that "prima facie" is just a starting point. If you have prima facie evidence, it means you have enough evidence to have the initial legal presumption on your side . . . until the one challenging that presumption meets his or her burden of proof and causes the burden to shift back to those trying to maintain the legitimacy of the document. It has nothing to do with what the ultimate fact actually is or is not. In other words, a legal presumption is not the last word on what the ultimate reality is. It is just a rule we follow in the legal game. The way Justin uses the concept, he might as well be saying, "Mommy says it's real, and that settles it." Goes along with the name-calling, I suppose.
Justin
Mon Oct 12 2009 01:52
"But they do Justin."

But they don't. There's no such thing as a "long form Hawaii birth certificate." It's just a shell game, so no matter what document is produced, you can claim that there should be a "realer", longer one and all the rest don't count.

"Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is given a title such as "Certification of Birth", "

The short form is the certificate! That's why it says that, legally, it is prima facie proof of citizenship and birth.

"The Hawaii Department of Heath affirmed that no paper birth certificate records were destroyed when the department moved to electronic record-keeping in 2001. "

This is an outright false claim. The Hawaii Dept. of Health has made no such affirmation except to affirm that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

"They don't now but you seem to ignore the fact that Obama was born in 1961 and at that time long forms were issued"

No, they were not. Hawaii only issued birth certificates. Barack Obama has been certified as a legal citizen of natural birth. You, on the other hand, are a certifiable crazy person, a paranoid delusional who believes that he can overturn a legal election with a phony Kenyan birth certificate. It's offensive and racist.

Woody
Mon Oct 12 2009 00:39
“Zombie conservatives at the schoolhouse door,”

Hey lefties, progressives, liberals and other chowder heads:

NUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!!

Hop Along
Sun Oct 11 2009 13:25
Hey, its emblematic of Obama. He gets the Nobel Peace Prize for no real accomplishment. He gets to pretend to be president for a while on an extraordinarily thin CV, simply because people want to feel good about having a black president. (I've nothing against there being a black president, but "having a black president" would never be a sufficient reason for casting my vote for a candidate). Then, in the end, it turns out he never had what it took constitutionally either. He's a real quota's Quota. Nobody wins in that game.
Dave
Sun Oct 11 2009 12:55
Maybe if all the fog clears away, the history books will have to come up with a new term to describe a period of time where no constitutionally qualified person held the presidency. Anyone have a suggestion? 2009 - 201?, the "chimerical presidency." We live in interesting times, no one can deny that.
Your name
Sat Oct 10 2009 00:56
"Because, as I keep telling you - Hawaii has no such thing as a "long form birth certificate."" But they do Justin.

"Such records were destroyed in the 80's when Hawaii went to electronic records." The Hawaii Department of Heath affirmed that no paper birth certificate records were destroyed when the department moved to electronic record-keeping in 2001.
Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are cheaper than photocopies and much more easily accessible. Information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is given a title such as "Certification of Birth", "Certification of Live Birth", or "Certificate of Birth Registration". The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances. Nearly all states in the U.S. issue short forms certifications, on both state and local levels.

Obama's short form does not include all the required information and thus is an ancillary to a long form. If one exists. Therefore it requires a long form to be truely verifiable. Its legality rest on the existence of the long from certificate.

"The "long form" you seek simply doesn't exist - there isn't any such thing. Hawaii doesn't issue them. " They don't now but you seem to ignore the fact that Obama was born in 1961 and at that time long forms were issued. All birth certificates were paper at that time.

What is an Idiot? Definition: an utterly foolish or senseless person. Something you seem to show in abundance in your unwillingness to read or comprehend what has previously been written

Nancy
Fri Oct 9 2009 10:37
Quote the New York Times? Was this article a joke?
Justin
Fri Oct 9 2009 00:56
Orly Taitz is an orthodontist with a correspondence law degree. She's facing ethics complaints and possible disbarment for how she's misusing the law for her absurd partisan crusade. No judge is taking her "suit" seriously. Your dreams of having a legitimate election set aside by the courts are hopeless.

The "Kenyan Birth Certificate" is a known fake - it says "Republic of Kenya" but is dated several years before Kenya became a republic!

"If Obama was born in the US and has nothing to hide then why is he wasting taxpayer money by having the Department of Justice defend him in these lawsuits instead of paying $12 for the long form birth certificate? "

Because, as I keep telling you - Hawaii has no such thing as a "long form birth certificate."

"But Hawaii used a long form in 1961 when Obama was born."

Such records were destroyed in the 80's when Hawaii went to electronic records. All you idiot conspiracy theorists are proving is that there's absolutely no evidence that could possibly convince you. The "long form" you seek simply doesn't exist - there isn't any such thing. Hawaii doesn't issue them.

Your name
Fri Oct 9 2009 00:37
"None of these suits have had any result but to be thrown out of court immediately. This is because it's a matter of legal and scientific fact that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mother."

There is a lawsuit in the district court in California challenging the President's citizenship. A copy of a Kenyan Birth Certificate, proported to be Obama's, has been submitted to the court as evidence. Judge Carter has ruled that a trial on the merits is set to begin January 26, 2010. This is the first time in any of these lawsuits that a date has been set to hear the merits of the case. This is a major legal victory. Plaintiff's attorney is Dr. Orly Taitz.

There is another motion to dismiss set to be ruled upon on October 5th, along with discovery motions. If the motion to dismiss is denied we should see a trial in the new year. No wonder Obama is trying to hurry along the Universal Health Care vote. His time in office may be quite limited.

If Obama was born in the US and has nothing to hide then why is he wasting taxpayer money by having the Department of Justice defend him in these lawsuits instead of paying $12 for the long form birth certificate? It doesn't make sense. In case it wasn't clear before, the government is defending Mr. Obama's decision not to produce his records, so we are paying for this, as taxpayers. If Congress had insisted on verifying Obama's citizenship status before the election it would not have fallen on our shoulders.

Also: Berg v. Obama et al is currently pending before the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit and scheduled for a merits panel hearing the week of October 26, 2009







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